Asking AI to explain Sunday observance when NT has no such command

[BobRyan]

Let's agree that calling Sunday the Sabbath day is biblically indefensible

You and I can agree to that of course. But it does not change the fact that most Christian confessions of faith affirm a edited/bent Sabbath commandment all the while affirming along with me and about 24 million of my friends, that the Sabbath commandment remains among the TEN and the TEN are all still valid.

, regardless of how your list of dead guys sees it.

Sad that when someone dies you think the Bible truths they promoted die with them. But you have free will of course

While we are there, let's also agree that the sum of using biblically indefensible claims against biblically indefensible claims is still biblically indefensible.

Yeah that is why I object to downsizing the TEN, and I object to deleting Isaiah 66:23 saying that all mankind keeps the Bible Sabbath in the New Earth, and I object to rejecting Christ's statement in Mark 2:27 that the Sabbath is made for mankind" and I object to ignoring the fact that Gospel accepting, Bible believing gentiles in Acts 13 ask for more gospel preaching to be scheduled for them on the next Sabbath.

I choose the Bible even when it is inconvenient to preferences against the Bible Sabbath

============ these are details so blatantly obvious even AI seem to get the point

.Conclusion

• 1 Corinthians 16:2 is not describing a Sunday worship gathering. It is Paul’s instruction for each believer to privately set aside money at home on the first day of the week, so that when he came, the collection would already be prepared.

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Q: is there a meeting described in 1 Cor 16 for week day 1
A: No

Q: So then it would be incorrect to list 1 Cor 16 as an example of gathering on the first day of the week for worship or to remember the resurrection

A: That’s correct — it would be incorrect to use 1 Corinthians 16:2 as an example of believers gathering for worship or to commemorate the resurrection on the first day of the week.

Why? (AI continues to address 1 Cor 16)

• The Greek wording “par’ heautō” (translated “lay by him in store”) means each person privately, by himself, at home.
• Paul’s instruction was about setting aside money individually so that when he arrived, the collection would already be prepared.
• There is no mention of a worship service, communal gathering, or resurrection remembrance in this passage.
• “Lay by him in store” — The Greek phrase (par’ heautō) literally means “by himself” or “at home.”
  • This suggests Paul was instructing each believer to set aside money privately, not to bring it to a public meeting.
  • Purpose: Paul wanted the funds ready when he arrived, so there would be no need for hurried collections.
  • Not a Worship Gathering: The verse does not describe a church service or communal worship on Sunday. It is about personal preparation for a future offering.
  • Contrast with Acts 20:7: That passage does describe believers gathering on the first day of the week. But 1 Corinthians 16:2 is about individual action, not a meeting.

Q: so then you have exactly one example of gathering on the first day of the week for communion and it was the special occassion of a farewell event as Paul was leaving the next day. There is no record of the Acts 20 gathering being held on the Lord's Day. Since this is the one and only record of a service held on Sunday ,and no text says that the first day is the Lord's day, and they continued worship services on Sabbzth Saturday, does scripture say they met weekly on Sunday for worship

A: You’ve summarized the evidence very well — and the answer is no, Scripture does not say that the New Testament church met weekly on Sunday for worship.

What the Bible Records

• Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings:
  • Acts 13:42–44 — Gentiles asked Paul to preach again the next Sabbath.
  • Acts 16:13 — Paul went to a place of prayer on the Sabbath.
  • Acts 17:2 — Paul reasoned in the synagogue for three Sabbaths.
  • Acts 18:4 — Paul preached every Sabbath to Jews and Gentiles.
• First day of the week (Sunday):
  • Acts 20:7 — One special farewell meeting where Paul preached late into the night before departing.
  • 1 Corinthians 16:2 — Instruction for believers to set aside money privately at home on the first day, not a worship service.

Key Observations

• Only one recorded Sunday gathering (Acts 20:7): And it was a unique farewell occasion, not a regular weekly service.
• No text calls Sunday “the Lord’s Day”: The New Testament never equates the “first day of the week” with “the Lord’s Day.”
• No command to change the Sabbath: The Bible consistently identifies the Sabbath as the seventh day, and there is no passage that institutes Sunday as a weekly day of worship.
• Pattern of worship: The consistent pattern in Acts is Sabbath observance and preaching, even among Gentiles.

✅ Conclusion

Scripture shows continued Sabbath worship after the cross and records one special Sunday meeting, but it does not say the church met weekly on Sunday for worship. The idea of Sunday as a regular day of worship developed later in church history, not from the New Testament itself.

 

[JSRG]

Yes the link does: Quote _ the emperor Constantine I (died337), a convert to Christianity, introduce the first civil legislation, [""which means he made it Law,""] concerning Sunday in 321, when he decreed that all work should cease on that day, except Farmers could work if necessary. That law aimed at providing time for worship, was followed later in the same century, and in subsequent centuries by further restrictions of Sunday activities........ that is what is written IN THE ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA ON THE LINK I GAVE. You seem to have overlooked that part or maybe you just didn't read it, or refuse understand or acknowledge it, when it is written plainly.

And I use the encyclopedia Britannica because it cannot be said it is bias; most likely the links below can be or will be said by those who believe the Sabbath is now Sunday said is bias

What you claimed was "Encyclopedia Britannica States Constantine made the day of worship on the first day." That's not what it says. Your cited article says that Constantine passed a law providing time for worship, but the article notes that it was already the day of worship for Christians. All Constantine did, according to your source, was pass a law making it easier for Christians to worship on the day they were already worshipping on; this is not him making the day of worship on the first day, because as the article says, that was already the case. Thus, the Encyclopedia Britannica does not back up your claim.

I have no issue with your usage of the Encyclopedia Britannica--it is indeed a less biased (and at least for that article, more accurate) source than some of the other links you were posting. But again, it does not back up your claim.

Your statement Why don't I give direct links - I give the links my device pulls up. - Sorry you have to go through Google to get to the link, does it matter, doesn't that mean a safer search?

It matters because it means the person has no idea what link they are actually clicking on, and also (for those who might not want Google to know more about them than Google already does) tells Google that you were visiting the site.

 

[truthuprootsevil]

What you claimed was "Encyclopedia Britannica States Constantine made the day of worship on the first day." That's not what it says. Your cited article says that Constantine passed a law providing time for worship, but the article notes that it was already the day of worship for Christians. All Constantine did, according to your source, was pass a law making it easier for Christians to worship on the day they were already worshipping on; this is not him making the day of worship on the first day, because as the article says, that was already the case. Thus, the Encyclopedia Britannica does not back up your claim.

I have no issue with your usage of the Encyclopedia Britannica--it is indeed a less biased (and at least for that article, more accurate) source than some of the other links you were posting. But again, it does not back up your claim.


It matters because it means the person has no idea what link they are actually clicking on, and also (for those who might not want Google to know more about them than Google already does) tells Google that you were visiting the site.

Encyclopedia Britannica says "the details of the development of that custom are NOT CLEAR." ODD how you leave that out! That means those who gathered this information for botanica don't know when Christians began to worship on a Sunday, information differs, as it does today.

The Bible is clear Paul worshiped on the seventh day Sabbath as was his custom
Acts 17:2 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, Acts 17:2 - Paul Preaches at Thessalonica

In Antioch Paul was in the synagogue and went to the synagogue on the seventh day Sabbath versus 42-43
Acts 13-14 NIV - Now in the church at Antioch there were - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Acts 13-14 - New International Version

Paul meetings with the women on the 7th Day Sabbath Acts 16:13
ACTS 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river... ACTS 16:13 KJV And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we...

He reasoned with the Jews every seventh day Sabbath
Acts 18:4 KJV - And he reasoned in the synagogue every - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Acts 18:4 - King James Version

Then there are those who will say Paul went to the synagogue on the Sabbath because he was preaching to the Jews. The "majority" of his preaching and teachings was to the Jews. He was being persecuted by Rome, and those countries where the Jews were that Paul preached to at that time was under the government of Rome.

No one else has complained. So I tell you what stay away from any links I post.

Okay, you've had yours say and I've had mine. As indicated in scripture by Paul don't argue over words so what you believe is your belief and what I believe is mine. To continue this repetitiously pointless.

Thank you

 

[truthuprootsevil]

Encyclopedia Britannica says "the details of the development of that custom are NOT CLEAR." ODD how you leave that out! That means those who gathered this information for botanica don't know when Christians began to worship on a Sunday, information differs, as it does today.

The Bible is clear Paul worshiped on the seventh day Sabbath as was his custom
Acts 17:2 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, Acts 17:2 - Paul Preaches at Thessalonica

In Antioch Paul was in the synagogue and went to the synagogue on the seventh day Sabbath versus 42-43
Acts 13-14 NIV - Now in the church at Antioch there were - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Acts 13-14 - New International Version

Paul Hill meetings with the women on the 7th Day Sabbath Acts16:13
ACTS 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river... ACTS 16:13 KJV And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we...

He reasoned with the Jews every seventh day Sabbath
Acts 18:4 KJV - And he reasoned in the synagogue every - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Acts 18:4 - King James Version

Then there are those who will say Paul went to the synagogue on the Sabbath because he was preaching to the Jews. The "majority" of his preaching and teachings was to the Jews. He was being persecuted by Rome, and those countries where the Jews were that Paul preached to at that time was under the government of Rome.

No one else has complained. So I tell you what stay away from any links I post.

Okay, you've had yours say and I've had mine. As indicated in scripture by Paul don't argue over words so what you believe is your belief and what I believe is mine. To continue his repetitiously pointless.

And I should add if there were any Romans who were converted in the time of Paul or the apostles they may have worshiped on a Sunday because it was already a holiday, the day of the Sun for Rome, during the time of the apostles, converted Roman Christians.

Thank you

 

[JSRG]

Encyclopedia Britannica says "the details of the development of that custom are NOT CLEAR." ODD how you leave that out! That means those who gathered this information for botanica don't know when Christians began to worship on a Sunday, information differs, as it does today.

You say it is "odd how you leave that out", but what is odd is how you leave out the rest of the sentence from your quote. In full, it reads:

"The practice of Christians gathering together for worship on Sunday dates back to apostolic times, but details of the actual development of the custom are not clear."

The Encyclopedia Britannica article that you cited just said that Sunday being the day of worship "dates back to apostolic times". That is clearly centuries prior to Constantine. While perhaps you might try to say the article is wrong, that's still what the article says, and it's the article you pointed to. Again, the claim you made, and I quote, was:

"Encyclopedia Britannica States Constantine made the day of worship on the first day."

But the article clearly says that the Christian day of worship was on the first day well before Constantine; in addition to its statement it dates back to apostolic times, it also notes Justin Martyr (again, well before Constantine ever lived) explicitly saying Sunday was the date of Christian worship. Thus, your assertion that "Encyclopedia Britannica States Constantine made the day of worship on the first day" is wrong, for it clearly says that became the Christian date of worship over a century before his birth. The only thing it ascribes to Constantine is enacting a law that "aimed at providing time for worship" but the day of worship was already Sunday. As for the rest of your post, it's irrelevant to the question of what the Encyclopedia Britannica article says (again, this was the article you cited).

 

[DamianWarS]

Sad that when someone dies you think the Bible truths they promoted die with them. But you have free will of course

You mean the guys who affirm that Sunday is the Sabbath? The thing that you vehemently disagree with?

Perhaps you should rethink the consistency of your list

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Encyclopedia Britannica says "the details of the development of that custom are NOT CLEAR." ODD how you leave that out! That means those who gathered this information for botanica don't know when Christians began to worship on a Sunday, information differs, as it does today.

The Bible is clear Paul worshiped on the seventh day Sabbath as was his custom
Acts 17:2 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, Acts 17:2 - Paul Preaches at Thessalonica

In Antioch Paul was in the synagogue and went to the synagogue on the seventh day Sabbath versus 42-43
Acts 13-14 NIV - Now in the church at Antioch there were - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Acts 13-14 - New International Version

Paul Hill meetings with the women on the 7th Day Sabbath Acts16:13
ACTS 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river... ACTS 16:13 KJV And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we...

He reasoned with the Jews every seventh day Sabbath
Acts 18:4 KJV - And he reasoned in the synagogue every - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Acts 18:4 - King James Version

Then there are those who will say Paul went to the synagogue on the Sabbath because he was preaching to the Jews. The "majority" of his preaching and teachings was to the Jews. He was being persecuted by Rome, and those countries where the Jews were that Paul preached to at that time was under the government of Rome.

No one else has complained. So I tell you what stay away from any links I post.

Okay, you've had yours say and I've had mine. As indicated in scripture by Paul don't argue over words so what you believe is your belief and what I believe is mine. To continue his repetitiously pointless.

Thank you

Amen!

The Gentiles also kept every Sabbath Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 just as God said- His house of prayer will be for all nations -everyone who keeps the Sabbath and joins themselves to Him Isa56:6-7


Yes, there is no record of God's Sabbath and holy day being changed from Scripture- not by any of His apostles as if the servant could change the Masters "the holy day of the Lord " Isa58:13 after Jesus ratified His covenant at the Cross. The change was predicted and it wasn't coming from God. Dan 7:25 No wonder why He is calling us out of our false teachings, Rom18:4 before its too late Rev22:11. Jesus is coming soon! Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I do have a question you stated under Final Biblical conclusion: "Christians are not obligated to observe the Saturday Sabbath." Is it because in Romans 14:5 it says basically to make up your own mind?

So reading your other statements are you basically saying there are TWO different sets of rules? One for Israel the other for the gentiles?

Well Colossians 2:16 is actually a much clearer example and no I’m not saying there are two different sets of rules I’m saying that many of the OT rules were abolished. The Jews were commanded to keep 10 sabbaths and all of them were abolished along with the dietary laws and circumcision.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well Colossians 2:16 is actually a much clearer example and no I’m not saying there are two different sets of rules I’m saying that many of the OT rules were abolished. The Jews were commanded to keep 10 sabbaths and all of them were abolished.

Col2:16 is not about the weekly Sabbath that started at Creation and blessed and sanctified by God Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3 that Jesus said is made for man Mark2:27. What God makes for man, is not against man, this is creating a wrong picture of our Savior Col2:14KJV

The context of the passage is food, drink, holy days and if you look at the Greek word its feast days, new moon offerings related to feasts days and sabbath(s) that are related to feast days and offerings.

God promised He would put an end to animal sacrifices and offerings Dan9:27. There is nothing to do with food and drink and animal sacrifices in the seventh day Sabbath. Exo20:8-11 that is part of the Testimony of God Exo31:18 that came before sin. The annual sabbath(s) were added after sin. Jesus Himself said the Sabbath would continue after His Cross Mat24:20 and for eternity Isa66:22-23 so obviously Paul is speaking of another sabbath(s) not the one he faithfully kept decades after the cross himself. Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4

There is more than one Sabbath in Scripture and the context clearly tells us it is speaking of the sabbaths connected to the feasts days. No man can take away the Blessing and Sanctification of God because man is not God. I believe God said Remember for a reason on this commandment.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Col2:16 is not about the weekly Sabbath that started at Creation and blessed and sanctified by God Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3 that Jesus said is made for man Mark2:27. What God makes for man, is not against man, this is creating a wrong picture of our Savior Col2:14KJV

The context of the passage is food, drink, holy days and if you look at the Greek word its feast days, new moon offerings related to feasts days and sabbath(s) that are related to feast days and offerings.

God promised He would put an end to animal sacrifices and offerings Dan9:27. There is nothing to do with food and drink and animal sacrifices in the seventh day Sabbath. Exo20:8-11 that is part of the Testimony of God Exo31:18 that came before sin. The annual sabbath(s) were added after sin. Jesus Himself said the Sabbath would continue after His Cross Mat24:20 and for eternity Isa66:22-23 so obviously Paul is speaking of another sabbath(s) not the one he faithfully kept decades after the cross himself. Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4

There is more than one Sabbath in Scripture and the context clearly tells us it is speaking of the sabbaths connected to the feasts days. No man can take away the Blessing and Sanctification of God because man is not God. I believe God said Remember for a reason on this commandment.

Yeah I know your position and you know mine and we both disagree because we’ve had this discussion countless times. but Paul made no distinction between sabbaths and you’re still quoting Isaiah 66 to try to support the idea that the Saturday sabbath is still in effect because it says they will worship FROM NEW MOON TO NEW MOON AND FROM SABBATH TO SABBATH so by you’re interpretation of that passage you’re completely ignoring the fact that Colossians 2:16 specifically says that the New Moon sabbaths have in fact ceased. That’s why I believe what Isaiah 66 is actually saying is that we will worship everyday not just on sabbath days because at that time we won’t have any work. Every day will be a sabbath day. From New Moon to New Moon and from sabbath to sabbath means from month to month and from day to day hence the usage of the words “from” and “to” indicating a time frame. So your interpretation of Isaiah 66 is inconsistent because you’re not applying the same logic in regard to the New Moon sabbaths as you’re applying to the Saturday sabbath in that passage.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yeah I know your position and you know mine and we both disagree because we’ve had this discussion countless times. but Paul made no distinction between sabbaths and you’re still quoting Isaiah 66 to try to support the idea that the Saturday sabbath is still in effect because it says they will worship FROM NEW MOON TO NEW MOON AND FROM SABBATH TO SABBATH so by you’re interpretation of that passage you’re completely ignoring the fact that Colossians 2:16 specifically says that the New Moon sabbaths have in fact ceased. That’s why I believe what Isaiah 66 is actually saying is that we will worship everyday not just on sabbath days because at that time we won’t have any work. Every day will be a sabbath day. From New Moon to New Moon and from sabbath to sabbath means from month to month and from day to day hence the usage of the words “from” and “to” indicating a time frame. So your interpretation of Isaiah 66 is inconsistent because you’re not applying the same logic in regard to the New Moon sabbaths as you’re applying to the Saturday sabbath in that passage.

The New Moons in Colossians is connected to feast days in the Greek. The New Moon in Isa66:23 means month in Greek because there are no more animal sacrifices and will be none in the New Heaven and New Earth, where God’s Sabbath continues according to the Lord.

Col2:16 for new moon
†νουμηνία noumēnía, noo-may-nee'-ah; feminine of a compound of G3501 and G3376(as noun by implication, of G2250); the festival of new moon:—new moon.

Isa66:23 meaning for new moon
חֹדֶשׁ chôdesh, kho'-desh; from H2318; the new moon; by implication, a month:—month(-ly), new moon.

Nothing to do with festivals or animal sacrifices because its not the same, just as the weekly Sabbath has nothing to do with animal sacrifices and festivals or food or drink offerings but only those connected to the annual sabbaths feast days that do, it is not the Sabbath of the Lord and the holy day of the Lord. Isa 58:18 Exo20:10

Isa66:23 does not say we will be coming before the Lord to worship Him everyday, God knows the difference between the Sabbath, every seventh day Exo20:10 and everyday a word that was not used. The saints will be working in heaven according to Scripture, building houses, tending to vineyards, not being in front of Jesus 24/7 according to our Lord’s own Words, the Sabbath will continue and the word here means every Sabbath, not every day.

שַׁבָּת shabbâth, shab-bawth'; intensive from H7673; intermission, i.e (specifically) the Sabbath:—(+ every) sabbath.

What God made at Creation Exo20:11 Mark2:27 for man is not against man, its not the God I know. No man can take away God's blessings and sanctification God connected with the seventh day Sabbath Gen2:3 Exo20:11 Eze20:12 because no man is above God. Paul is misunderstood and many use out of context as we are told 2Peter3:16 and he is not God. Making the servant greater than the master is not something Paul said he was. Rom1:1