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[LittleLambofJesus]

The Lord (YHWH) is the main God (an elohim); there is no other.

Psalm 82:5 Not they know, and not they are understanding. In darkness they are going about, all of foundations of land are slipping. 6 I, I said gods/'Elohiym ye and sons of the Highest/'elyown all of ye'; 7 Surely as adam ye shall die! And as one of the princes, ye shall fall! 8 Arise thou god/Elohiym! judge thou the land!, that Thou shall allot in all the nations. [John 10:34-36]

John 10:33 Answered to Him the Judeans--"About an ideal work not we are stoning Thee but about blasphemy, and that Thou a man being, art making thyself a god.
34 Answered to them the JESUS "Is not it is having been Written in the Law of ye that I say 'gods/qeoi <2316> ye are'? 35 If those He said gods toward whom the Word of the God became and not is able to be broken/annulled the Writing 36 whom the Father hallows and commissions into the World ye are saying that 'Thou are blaspheming' that I said 'Son of the God I am'" [Pslam 82:6]

 

[Luzeiro]

A credible Christian site for Biblical contradictions? That would be like asking the Soviet Information Ministry on information concerning Stalin's purges.

I have no need for your link, I have seen countless times the same pathetic attempts at finding Quranic contradictions where there are none. Besides, I'm not up for interrogation here, whereas Ahmid here has very much put himself up for it by posting this thread.

Then you are not here to witness for islam truth?

No credible site for biblical contradictions, then you would resort to non-credible sites and that is the end of you. On the other hand, we have loads of ex-muslims who will validate the controversial 'gospel' according to islam and how it is plagiarized, first of all, and second of all a load of .... it is a load.

 

[Luzeiro]

Oh, how I lament the limitations of this crude English language, that I cannot accurately express the furthest-most quality of my positive affirmation beyond the simple word; yes. (Pro 16:18,19; Mat 11:29)

How ironic, that you should accuse SoJ of being critical with another Christian, and then you do the same toward him? (Mat 7:3; Rom 2:1)

Further, please detail exactly where you see the aforementioned actions, to "...judge..." and/or "...interject...?" I see words like "I think..." and "...suggest..." which strikes me more as a considerate invitation to examine an alternate view. (Mark 9:39)

Is that where seeking the truth should occur? In the 'dark?' (Mark 4:21-23)
I find your use of the phrase "...such as.." to be laughable. Such a phrase intentionally establishes the existence of other possibilities, and yet, I sincerely doubt you would accept any other set of standards other than the aforementioned commandments. The entirety of your post certainly carries the distinct connotation that standards like common law, virtue ethics, or deontology hold no virtue in the absence of your Bible. (Rom 2:14)
Um, not to be the non-Christian-instructing-the-Christian or anything, but wouldn't that be ... um ... God? (Do I really need to cite this one?)
Actually, according to your Bible, "evil" pervades regardless of standards. Consider John 14:17 and Luke 17:1
I assume this is referencing Mat 23:33? "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?" First, this is generally understood to be addressing scribes and Pharisees, not sinners in general. They, being in a position of authority, would likely be considered in a more equivocal position. (1 Cor 10:32)

Second, the verse is more a rhetorical question than a direct accusation. By and large, (and from an academic view of course), I'd have to favor SoJ's position over yours in that Jesus did not directly declare a judgment toward any person. Certainly he judged beliefs and practices, but then left it for people themselves to decide if such judgments were directed to them (consider Luke 8:11-15).

Respectfully,
-- Druweid

I ignore everything that is 25 words or more.

 

[Luzeiro]

You mean the unimportant variants such as use or nonuse of the definitive article? There is no comparison to the care taken in copying these scriptures. Even the OT, the dead sea scrolls proove the worthiness of all copies that came later.


"We could have done so much together! We could have been a great reactionary force in the world, but you chose otherwise, Futt!"


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Even as Paul thru Jesus Christ convinced idol worshiping infidels in the first century; likewise do I move about Breaking the Sword of Islam. For the true G*d so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life. I will love G*d and my neighbor. By Jesus Christ, all evil is bound from hindering. --- Ahmid Truth

G*d thru Jesus Christ bless Zakaria Botros - today he is reaching up to 50 million Muslims in the middle east through televised evangelism via satellite. Reportedly hundreds a week are turning to Christ and abandoning Islam... Hallelujah. 3lotus.com
Help Stop Islam! ...over 12,000 selfish attacks since 9/11 ... Islam Kills

That's such an interesting number, don't you think? 666! Aside from that, they have no clue how the veracity of scripture is preserved. They don't understand the spiritual, and if they don't search for it, they never will. But, it is soooooo much fun for people to opine into the ethers where the air is rare and high takes on its proper meaning.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

"We could have done so much together! We could have been a great reactionary force in the world, but you chose otherwise, Futt!"

Gotta love Star Wars "the Empire Strikes Back"!!

 

[Luzeiro]

For those who wondered what I meant, here's one for starters: Paul teaches that the Old Covenant has been replaced with the New, but does the Old Testament allow for such an interpretation? On the contrary, Moses consistently teaches that the Covenant and the Law are unchangeable and apply to all future generations.

You can say that because you can say that. You don't understand what you are saying, because you don't understand what you are saying.

No laws have been changed .... anywhere! Some laws have been fulfilled, yet that differs from having been changed. Don't you agree?

Loads of people think the moral law no longer applies, which is an extraordinary method of self-deception. But, you would not understand that either; because such things are spiritually discerned and the muslim knows nothing about spirituality. Have a nice day.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

For those who wondered what I meant, here's one for starters: Paul teaches that the Old Covenant has been replaced with the New, but does the Old Testament allow for such an interpretation? On the contrary, Moses consistently teaches that the Covenant and the Law are unchangeable and apply to all future generations.

Jesus- GOD on earth- is the ultimate authority; he makes the rules. In Matthew 5, He says the following:

17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

But Jesus certainly did clarify some matters:

Mark 10:

2Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?"

3"What did Moses command you?" he replied.

4 They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away."

5"It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law," Jesus replied. 6"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.' 7 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11 He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."


So adultery- and, yes, that includes polygamy- is wrong, and always has been wrong.

 

[Im_A]

For those who do not know God, suffice to say that the 'truth is not in him' and God does not know him.

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Even as Paul thru Jesus Christ convinced idol worshiping infidels in the first century; likewise do I move about Breaking the Sword of Islam. For the true G*d so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life. I will love G*d and my neighbor. By Jesus Christ, all evil is bound from hindering. --- Ahmid Truth

G*d thru Jesus Christ bless Zakaria Botros - today he is reaching up to 50 million Muslims in the middle east through televised evangelism via satellite. Reportedly hundreds a week are turning to Christ and abandoning Islam... Hallelujah. 3lotus.com

Help Stop Islam! ...over 12,000 selfish attacks since 9/11 ... Islam Kills

why not answer the question with a yes or no, instead of answering with prooftexts...if you don't mind.

 

[morningstar2651]

Is salvation by faith or works?

What, specifically, must a Christian believe? What can't they believe?

What is your denomination and what is its history?

 

[Caitlin.ann]

How are you enlightened is my question of the day.

 

[Fuzzy]

Marinade or dry rub?

 

[franklin]

Christians wake up in the morning with their savior in mind, asking G*d to bless this day. We walk day by day with peace in mind and hope for the future. We carry the shield of faith, a helmet of salvation, a belt of truth, a sword of G*ds word, shoes for carrying the good news, and a breastplate of righteousness before G*d. I lament and pray for the eudamonai, pantheists, atheists, muslims, hindu, buddhists, bahai, mormons, J witessnesses and even catholics. Am I arrogant knowing I am righteous in the sight of G*d due to having faith in Jesus Christ and desiring others to have this same knowledge?

Is the purpose of your topic to get others to ask you questions about your Christian beliefs, i.e., why you believe or what is the motivation behind your beliefs etc? or are you just trying to make a statement instead? I get the strong feeling it's the latter is that correct?

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

How could the right answer to any moral/ethical dilemma possibly be: "Because [insert name of supposed authority here] says so"? That's not a reasonable explanation. In fact, that's not an explanation at all. Unless the supposed authority has some valid reason for advocating this specific course, it's just random and utterly subjective commandments issued forth by a guy with a big stick.

 

[Druweid]

I ignore everything that is 25 words or more.

I suppose that's one way of saying you're in over your head, but hey, who am I to say?

-- Druweid

 

[awitch]

Help Stop Islam! ...over 12,000 selfish attacks since 9/11 ... Islam Kills

My question is how do you want to "stop Islam"? If you are successful, which religious ideology will you try to stop after that and why?

 

[Im_A]

My question is how do you want to "stop Islam"? If you are successful, which religious ideology will you try to stop after that and why?

i'd be interested in the how as well. the only thing i could imagine would be an actual forceful demonstration to end it, which of course would be against the entire beliefs of Christianity.

 

[Chesterton]

Unless the supposed authority has some valid reason for advocating this specific course, it's just random and utterly subjective commandments issued forth by a guy with a big stick.

Unless the "Guy with a stick" is the author of reality itself, in which case commandments coming from Him reflect the nature of ultimate reality, which in turn would be rooted in His nature, which means whether you like it or not, He's trying to do you a favor...

 

[Rasta]

Unless the "Guy with a stick" is the author of reality itself, in which case commandments coming from Him reflect the nature of ultimate reality, which in turn would be rooted in His nature, which means whether you like it or not, He's trying to do you a favor...

Unless the "commandments" issued by the "ultimate guy with a big stick" were invented by bronze age man as a means to understand the world around them. Then the "nature of ultimate reality" reflects the ideology of bronze age man, rather than a supreme being.

I mean, come on, bacon is good.

 

[Im_A]

Unless the "commandments" issued by the "ultimate guy with a big stick" were invented by bronze age man as a means to understand the world around them. Then the "nature of ultimate reality" reflects the ideology of bronze age man, rather than a supreme being.

I mean, come on, bacon is good.

so is polyester and shrimp

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Unless the "Guy with a stick" is the author of reality itself, in which case commandments coming from Him reflect the nature of ultimate reality, which in turn would be rooted in His nature, which means whether you like it or not, He's trying to do you a favor...

In that case, he'd have a good and valid reason for suggesting a certain course of action - which, ironically, undermines the notion that right and wrong are a question of authority, as it's not right "because he says so", but because it is the best course of action, all things considered.