Ask the Christian..

[Luzeiro]

It's the foundation of fairness, justice and the law. But I'm not surprised that you'd find that ludicrous, seeing how you subscribe to the most primitive form of authoritarian tribalist ethics.


Honestly, these sentences are such a bunch of garbled nonsense that I don't even see the point you were trying to make.


And yet, this very concept prompted you to protest against "criticizing one of our own in public". Your dishonesty and insolence is only dwarfed by your inability to grasp what you're doing.

That was real fun!

 

[Luzeiro]

Ask the Christian? Well, here's one: How do you reconcile the at least 666 contradictions found in the Bible?

Name five! Make sure your information comes from a credible site, a credible Christian site.

There are three basic categories of contradictions in the Qur'an:

1. Internal contradictions: Verses contradicting each other or the laws of logic
2. External errors: Verses contradicting the facts of history or science
3. Verses contradicting the earlier revelations

Further: Contradictions between Muslim Traditions and the Qur'an
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
Enjoy!

 

[Futuwwa]

A credible Christian site for Biblical contradictions? That would be like asking the Soviet Information Ministry on information concerning Stalin's purges.

I have no need for your link, I have seen countless times the same pathetic attempts at finding Quranic contradictions where there are none. Besides, I'm not up for interrogation here, whereas Ahmid here has very much put himself up for it by posting this thread.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

A credible Christian site for Biblical contradictions? That would be like asking the Soviet Information Ministry on information concerning Stalin's purges.

I have no need for your link, I have seen countless times the same pathetic attempts at finding Quranic contradictions where there are none. Besides, I'm not up for interrogation here, whereas Ahmid here has very much put himself up for it by posting this thread.

Greetings. Since the Koran was written AFTER the Bible, the Muslims could easily make a book that would contain little or no Contraditions.

So the arugement is moot especially in light of the JEWS belief that JESUS was not their Messiah/Savior.....

http://www.kosherjudaism.org/forum/

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matt 23:15 "Woe to ye scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! that ye are going-about the Sea and the Dry/xhran <3584> to make one proselyte, and whenever he may be becoming, ye are making him a son of geennhV <1067> twofold-more of-ye. [Haggai 2:6/Luke 23:31]

Luke 23:31 That if in the moist wood/xulw <3586> these-things they are doing, in the Dry/xhrw <3584>, what may be becoming/genhtai <1096> (5638)?

 

[Druweid]

Christians wake up in the morning with their savior in mind, asking G*d to bless this day. We walk day by day with peace in mind and hope for the future. We carry the shield of faith, a helmet of salvation, a belt of truth, a sword of G*ds word, shoes for carrying the good news, and a breastplate of righteousness before G*d. I lament and pray for the eudamonai, pantheists, atheists, muslims, hindu, buddhists, bahai, mormons, J witessnesses and even catholics. Am I arrogant knowing I am righteous in the sight of G*d due to having faith in Jesus Christ and desiring others to have this same knowledge?

Oh, how I lament the limitations of this crude English language, that I cannot accurately express the furthest-most quality of my positive affirmation beyond the simple word; yes. (Pro 16:18,19; Mat 11:29)

Is it not uncomfortable to judge the words a Christian shares here as unloving and un-Christian? It should be food for thought at least, since none of us express ourselves alike. Should I ask what tenements of faith are and thereby cause you embarrassment? Or should I ask what business it is of yours to interject YOUR way of doing things into the way of others who are as guided by the Holy Spirit as anyone who is; and whom the Holy Spirit reaches on the level they are reachable?

How ironic, that you should accuse SoJ of being critical with another Christian, and then you do the same toward him? (Mat 7:3; Rom 2:1)

Further, please detail exactly where you see the aforementioned actions, to "...judge..." and/or "...interject...?" I see words like "I think..." and "...suggest..." which strikes me more as a considerate invitation to examine an alternate view. (Mark 9:39)

Therefore, should I gently suggest you do not correct the Christian; not publically, anyways.

Is that where seeking the truth should occur? In the 'dark?' (Mark 4:21-23)

When there are no standards; such as the ten commandments for instance; there is no way to measure behavior.

I find your use of the phrase "...such as.." to be laughable. Such a phrase intentionally establishes the existence of other possibilities, and yet, I sincerely doubt you would accept any other set of standards other than the aforementioned commandments. The entirety of your post certainly carries the distinct connotation that standards like common law, virtue ethics, or deontology hold no virtue in the absence of your Bible. (Rom 2:14)

If we say nothing, do not judge, who opposes the evil ones?

Um, not to be the non-Christian-instructing-the-Christian or anything, but wouldn't that be ... um ... God? (Do I really need to cite this one?)

And the evil ones will continue to do evil.

Evil pervades when no one judges the evil-doer.

Actually, according to your Bible, "evil" pervades regardless of standards. Consider John 14:17 and Luke 17:1

Nor did Jesus mince words when addressing sinners. Or did He say "you generation of vipers, you shall be with me in paradise"? Therefore, we are able to judge the vipers around us and judge their destination.

I assume this is referencing Mat 23:33? "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?" First, this is generally understood to be addressing scribes and Pharisees, not sinners in general. They, being in a position of authority, would likely be considered in a more equivocal position. (1 Cor 10:32)

Second, the verse is more a rhetorical question than a direct accusation. By and large, (and from an academic view of course), I'd have to favor SoJ's position over yours in that Jesus did not directly declare a judgment toward any person. Certainly he judged beliefs and practices, but then left it for people themselves to decide if such judgments were directed to them (consider Luke 8:11-15).

Respectfully,
-- Druweid

 

[dawiyd]

Why on earth are you using a rabbinic concept when trying to preserve the name of God?

 

[ahmid]

Ask the Christian? Well, here's one: How do you reconcile the at least 666 contradictions found in the Bible?

You mean the unimportant variants such as use or nonuse of the definitive article? There is no comparison to the care taken in copying these scriptures. Even the OT, the dead sea scrolls proove the worthiness of all copies that came later.


"We could have done so much together! We could have been a great reactionary force in the world, but you chose otherwise, Futt!"


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[Servant of Jesus]

Ask the Christian? Well, here's one: How do you reconcile the at least 666 contradictions found in the Bible?

I would be glad to discuss any contradictions- so matter what the source; just don't try to present all 666 all at once (is it coincidental that there are 666?).

The Bible has remained essentially unchanged for thousands of years and has a massive amount of historical and archeological evidence to support it- for example when you go to Capernaum, you can actually walk through the synagogue described by Jesus; you can actually see the remains of the early church built by the early Christians.

Another small example from my own experience: the Biblical descriptions related to the geology of that area match amazingly well our modern understanding of plate tectonics in that region.

Jesus was also a perfect example of how we should live our life- with love, compassion, humility and, yes, occasionally, hard truths.

The Bible commandments- both the original 10 Commandments and Jesus' validation of them- match perfectly the God-given conscience that we all are given at birth. A conscience that teaches us not to murder, not to steal, not to lie, not to commit adultery, but to live with one spouse all of our lives, to worship one God, and honor our parents. As Jesus so perfectly said it thousands of years ago in Matthew 22 when He was asked what the greatest commandment was:

37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "

Those are the truths that are both universal and timeless; I maintain that no other religion in the world has such a remarkable record of consistency and common sense. And if that isn't enough- it is a religion that offers each of us a way to redeem ourselves and to have such great hope in the future, and a place with God in Heaven.

And finally, anyone is entitled to this free gift- it is so simple, all you need to do is pray: "God, I am a sinner and I want to change my life and follow Jesus. Please show me the way, the truth, and the light."

Your life, like mine, will never be the same.

 

[Servant of Jesus]

Just to be clear, here is what I believe:

A Christian is a person who willingly believes:

1. That the Universe was created by God.
(Genesis 1:1)

2. That the Bible is divinely inspired by God, and describes how we are to live our lives in a manner that is pleasing to God.
(Matthew 24:14)

3. That we are all sinners and as such, according to the Bible, are destined to go to hell.
(Romans 3:23)

4. That God came to earth in the person of Jesus Christ and promised that if we repent of our sins, and ask God as the Holy Spirit to guide us through life according to His will, as best as we are able as human beings, that we will have eternal life and a place with Him in Heaven.
(John 3:16)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Futuwwa Ask the Christian? Well, here's one: How do you reconcile the at least 666 contradictions found in the Bible?

What contradictions?

2 Corin 5:17 So that if any in Christ a New Creation/ktisiV <2937>. The ancient-things pass-away/parhlqen <3928> (5627), behold! has become New the all-things [Isaiah 65/66/Reve 21:1]

Revelation 21:1 And I perceived a-Heaven, New, and a-Land, New, for the first heaven and the first land pass-away/parhlqen <3928> (5627)......[Isaiah 65:17]

 

[anatolian]

Greetings. Since the Koran was written AFTER the Bible, the Muslims could easily make a book that would contain little or no Contraditions.

"Do they not consider the Quran (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy" (4:82)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

"Do they not consider the Quran (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy" (4:82)

So Muhammad received his revelation much like Daniel of the Jews did...

Daniel 8:16 And I am hearing a voice of adam between 'Uwlay, and he is calling and saying: "Gabriy'el, explain thou! to this one to understand the Vision."

Daniel 9:21 While I speaking in prayer and the man Gabriy'el whom saw in vision in beginning fainting in faintness touching to me as time of present offering of evening. 22 And he is explaining and speaking with me, and he is saying, "Daniye'l I now come forth to give intelligence of thee understanding".

 

[anatolian]

So Muhammad received his revelation much like Daniel of the Jews did...

"It is not fitting for a man that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration, or from behind a veil, or by the sending of a messenger to reveal, with Allah's permission, what Allah wills: for He is Most High, Most Wise." (42:51)

 

[Servant of Jesus]

The truth doesn't need blinders or censorship - nor does it need proselytizing. The truth is its own testimony, and needn't fear doubt or inquiry. Quite the contrary - it thrives under close scrutiny. The closer, the better. The same cannot be said for Christianity, I'm afraid - and I say that after a decade of examining Christianity VERY closely.

Could you explain this comment a bit more- maybe I misunderstood. I have always received great comfort in the fact that my Christian faith is entirely consistent with my scientific pursuits- I really marvel at times at how consistent it really is. I also take great comfort in the fact that the Bible has been subject to incredibly close scrutiny- and has still survived essentially unchanged for thousands of years.

Ultimately, it is a matter of faith. But it is sure comforting when that faith seems to consistently match the reality of what we experience in this world.

 

[franklin]

Christians wake up in the morning with their savior in mind, asking G*d to bless this day. We walk day by day with peace in mind and hope for the future. We carry the shield of faith, a helmet of salvation, a belt of truth, a sword of G*ds word, shoes for carrying the good news, and a breastplate of righteousness before G*d. I lament and pray for the eudamonai, pantheists, atheists, muslims, hindu, buddhists, bahai, mormons, J witessnesses and even catholics. Am I arrogant knowing I am righteous in the sight of G*d due to having faith in Jesus Christ and desiring others to have this same knowledge?

What makes you think your God is right while all others are fake?

 

[Im_A]

Christians wake up in the morning with their savior in mind, asking G*d to bless this day. We walk day by day with peace in mind and hope for the future. We carry the shield of faith, a helmet of salvation, a belt of truth, a sword of G*ds word, shoes for carrying the good news, and a breastplate of righteousness before G*d. I lament and pray for the eudamonai, pantheists, atheists, muslims, hindu, buddhists, bahai, mormons, J witessnesses and even catholics. Am I arrogant knowing I am righteous in the sight of G*d due to having faith in Jesus Christ and desiring others to have this same knowledge?

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Even as Paul thru Jesus Christ convinced idol worshiping infidels in the first century; likewise do I move about Breaking the Sword of Islam. For the true G*d so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life. I will love G*d and my neighbor. By Jesus Christ, all evil is bound from hindering. --- Ahmid Truth

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i wakeup everyday with peace of mind and hope for the future. what's your point?

and are you arrogant? well i'll ask a question that'll try to see if your arrogant in your "righteousness" because of beliefs and good natured intentions.

do you consider me an atheist or anyone that doesn't believe in your beliefs a fool?

i'll wait for your response.

 

[Futuwwa]

For those who wondered what I meant, here's one for starters: Paul teaches that the Old Covenant has been replaced with the New, but does the Old Testament allow for such an interpretation? On the contrary, Moses consistently teaches that the Covenant and the Law are unchangeable and apply to all future generations.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

For those who wondered what I meant, here's one for starters: Paul teaches that the Old Covenant has been replaced with the New, but does the Old Testament allow for such an interpretation? On the contrary, Moses consistently teaches that the Covenant and the Law are unchangeable and apply to all future generations.

Greetings! What does YHWH and JESUS mean by a NEW COVENANT? How do you think the Jews would interpret it? Thoughts? Peace

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold! days, ones coming a declaration of YHWH, and I-Cut with the house of Yisra'el and with the house of Y@huwdah a Covenant, New [Hebrew 8:8, 13, 12:24]

Matthew 26:28 For this is the blood of Me, the of the New Covenant, the about many being poured out into a remission of Sins. [Mark 14:24]

Hebrews 8:13 in the to be saying 'New' He hath made Old the first. The yet being aged and being obsolete nigh of disappearance

 

[ahmid]

and are you arrogant? well i'll ask a question that'll try to see if your arrogant in your "righteousness" because of beliefs and good natured intentions.

do you consider me an atheist or anyone that doesn't believe in your beliefs a fool?

i'll wait for your response.

For those who do not know God, suffice to say that the 'truth is not in him' and God does not know him.

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Even as Paul thru Jesus Christ convinced idol worshiping infidels in the first century; likewise do I move about Breaking the Sword of Islam. For the true G*d so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life. I will love G*d and my neighbor. By Jesus Christ, all evil is bound from hindering. --- Ahmid Truth

G*d thru Jesus Christ bless Zakaria Botros - today he is reaching up to 50 million Muslims in the middle east through televised evangelism via satellite. Reportedly hundreds a week are turning to Christ and abandoning Islam... Hallelujah. 3lotus.com

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[ahmid]

What makes you think your God is right while all others are fake?

The Lord (YHWH) is the main God (an elohim); there is no other.

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Even as Paul thru Jesus Christ convinced idol worshiping infidels in the first century; likewise do I move about Breaking the Sword of Islam. For the true G*d so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him, should not perish but have everlasting life. I will love G*d and my neighbor. By Jesus Christ, all evil is bound from hindering. --- Ahmid Truth

G*d thru Jesus Christ bless Zakaria Botros - today he is reaching up to 50 million Muslims in the middle east through televised evangelism via satellite. Reportedly hundreds a week are turning to Christ and abandoning Islam... Hallelujah. 3lotus.com

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