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Great. But understand that is entirely insufficient evidence for me to believe god exists. So I guess we have come to an impasse on the existence of god.
Of course, I realize that someone out there will balk at this, especially if they don't know the difference between a baseball and an orange. "But, but, but, Philo.....they're both round and they both can be held in one hand, so they both have the same essential nature .... !" 
It isn't special pleading. That is the same as saying humans and fish share an ancestor, and someone says you are special pleading because we know fish are not human. Do you understand what the comparison shows?
You seem to be under the illusion that atheists rule the rules. Special pleading is an argument fallacy...any argument not specifically meant for atheists to use against any argument for Christianity. God not being a created being is a central tenet of Christianity.
See above.
I'm sorry? What do you mean here?
In classical rhetoric and logic, begging the question is an informal fallacy that occurs when an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it. It is a type of circular reasoning: an argument that requires that the desired conclusion be true. This often occurs in an indirect way such that the fallacy's presence is hidden, or at least not easily apparent.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.4647.pdf
So? That is contemporary. If I witnessed an event and wrote about it 25 years later are you saying that isn't considered contemporary? So prove
See above.
No, just stating my opinion.
You can say anything you wish, doesn't make it true however.
Hmmm. Probably did seem that way.
No, I always answer honestly and give you reasons for my answers. You make the determination by not understanding the material that it is excuses. The culture in which an ancient manuscript is written is very important to the overall understanding of the material and how that material comes about.
Why would god want us to believe without sufficient evidence? Everything you said was evidence has problems and is insufficient for belief. I cannot CHOOSE to believe he exists? How is it forcing us to believe he exists if he gives us sufficient evidence for his existence. I have sufficient evidence to believe the earth is spherical shaped, is that forcing me to believe it is, and why is that a bad thing? Giving evidence that he exists would at least give us a chance to have an informed decision to follow him. All teh evidence you gave above can be evidence for other gods as well so if we CHOOSE to believe a god it is a crap shoot at best to get the right one.
Maybe because he loves me and is not petty? If god of the bible exists and is moral then he can convince me that he is. A god that shows me he exists and is moral does not force me to follow or love him. It just gives me a choice.
It is true I don't want to follow a god that thinks forced slavery or killing homosexuals is moral. My worldview is not my choice it is a result of what I am convinced and not convinced of by evidence just like you. Could you choose to not believe god exists?
I don't get that just becasue I don't know where or why everything exists that somehow disqualifies me from evaluating a god claim. If you think that I cannot evaluate evidence of a god claim then how will I ever come to the conclusion that he exists? Then I am stuck.
It doesn't. You need to provide evidence that there is a goal. Evolution has no goal.
You have it backwards, the life that exists is a result of where the earth sits in the solar system. Evolution is pretty clear about this.
This is ridiculous. You want me to believe a god exists but then you are telling me I cannot know if a god exists becasue I don't know everything there is to know?
I guess the evidence is in the eye of the beholder. As far as who God is, that is your responsibility as well.
He is giving you a choice.
It doesn't matter if he thinks lying is equally sinful? I find your worldview lacks evidence but that is me.
I guess you are stuck as long as you expect God to jump through your hoops.
How do you know that?
That is what I said. The earth is in the perfect place to allow life, conditions on the earth are the perfect conditions to allow life, the cosmos are the age they need to be to allow life and on it goes.
No, my point was that you claim you are all about evidence, yet the evidence for your worldview is lacking.
Is it my responsibility to investigate the thousands of gods that have been claimed? Why just the christian god?
No, he would be giving me a choice to follow him if he would provide evidence for his existence. Until then there is no choice but not to believe until provided sufficient evidence.
It is unjust to give the same punishment for all crimes. What evidence should I provide? What is my worldview?
I don't think it is out of line to want evidence for gods existence before belief, that is not asking for him to jump through hoops, it is just asking for common decency.
No, that is not what I said. We disagree here. I am claiming that life exists becasue of where the world is located. If it was located in a different location maybe different life would exist. You are claiming that the earth was put here specifically for life to exist as humans. Life adapted to the conditions not that the condition was created for life.
What evidence do I need? I do not believe a god exists which is not a claim and requires no evidence. I am a humanist, do you require evidence for that? My morality is based on well being, do you want evidence for that? What evidence are you looking for?
It's NOT special pleading. All one needs to do to realize this is to apply a little Analytic Philosophy to the terms "universe" and "God."
And do you not know already what Analytic Philosophy is and does?
So again, I need to know analytic philosophy and philosophical hermeneutics to know god exists?
Don't play dumb. You're previous response was given to me in connection to what Kylie said. So, don't start talking as if there's some 'other' context in which we're now talking.
.....Good gravy, man, I just explained (to Kylie) WHY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ISN'T THE CASE !!!
Kylie, perhaps you might not get it, you seem to think that only Kylie understand anything.
Kylie, I never claimed you said it. Again, someone else's fault for 'not getting it'.
Silly me.
Once again, only you can understand. Is it hard being the only intelligent being on planet Earth?
My computer is wacked. It has been having problems. I try to post my responses and it won't post reply, I have to hit refresh. Its been quite a problem.
That was my point Kylie. I lived the event "at the time" but didn't write about it until much later...same as the authors of the NT. In fact, there is evidence like I said, that they wrote it down earlier than when it was compiled.
Your assumption is not in evidence.
Yes! I do. The culture is most important in both cases.
This is the issue with you. I don't really care about philosophical arguments that do not match reality.
You jump into conversations that are not directed at you, which is fine, but then you complain about how the comment that was not directed at you does not pertain to you and your beliefs.
In what sense is it "special pleading"? I'm asking because you and @Kylie keep harping on this point without actually laying any conceptual groundwork. No, you both just assert it and the rest of us are supposed to just, I guess, go along with whatever you two ultra brilliant people have to say.
Alright Mr. Troll.
Name calling. huh.
