What can I say when you are pleasing yourself with ideas of "King of ALL Kings" actually being unjust to a son of a noble women (Peace be upon her).
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What can I say when you are pleasing yourself with ideas of "King of ALL Kings" actually being unjust to a son of a noble women (Peace be upon her).
Allah doesn't want to send His creation to Hellfire, Allah doesn't want to brutally torture His Creation, the lesson learned by history is Mankind will be held responsible after the clear signs have been delievered by God for the injustice he/she commits.
There are repeated verses in Qur'aan which talks about God guiding Mankind to Mend ways and they will have nothing to fear yet Mankind openly denies the Truth knowing verywell what had happened in past.
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Some questions for Rascaduanok:
What importance do Muslims give to the Sunnah? As far as I know, the Qur'an does not go without it, but someone in here told me lately that the Qur'an is the only Holy book in Islam. So I'm a little confused now
I don't want to be impolite, but may I ask if you are married? If yes, are you married to a Muslim woman? (You don't have to answer to these questions, just if you want. )I'm just curious to know
How does the arranged marriage look like in Islam? Is it really like this, that the parents decide what man/woman you have to marry, or do they just advise you to marry a man/woman they think would be good for you?
How many wives did Prophet Muhammad have? I heard he had 9 wives, but I read once a book called "The Book of Al Sira" or something like that, not sure of the name anymore, which said that he had 11 or 13 wives and some concubines. What do you know about that?
What importance do Muslims give to the Sunnah? As far as I know, the Qur'an does not go without it, but someone in here told me lately that the Qur'an is the only Holy book in Islam. So I'm a little confused now
I don't want to be impolite, but may I ask if you are married? If yes, are you married to a Muslim woman? (You don't have to answer to these questions, just if you want. )I'm just curious to know
How does the arranged marriage look like in Islam? Is it really like this, that the parents decide what man/woman you have to marry, or do they just advise you to marry a man/woman they think would be good for you?
How many wives did Prophet Muhammad have? I heard he had 9 wives, but I read once a book called "The Book of Al Sira" or something like that, not sure of the name anymore, which said that he had 11 or 13 wives and some concubines. What do you know about that?
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by Islamic outfits you mean people dressing like in Arabia? No, I don't have any dress like that because I haven't bought it yet...
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Some questions for Rascaduanok:
What importance do Muslims give to the Sunnah? As far as I know, the Qur'an does not go without it, but someone in here told me lately that the Qur'an is the only Holy book in Islam. So I'm a little confused now
I don't want to be impolite, but may I ask if you are married? If yes, are you married to a Muslim woman? (You don't have to answer to these questions, just if you want. )I'm just curious to know
How does the arranged marriage look like in Islam? Is it really like this, that the parents decide what man/woman you have to marry, or do they just advise you to marry a man/woman they think would be good for you?
How many wives did Prophet Muhammad have? I heard he had 9 wives, but I read once a book called "The Book of Al Sira" or something like that, not sure of the name anymore, which said that he had 11 or 13 wives and some concubines. What do you know about that?
Arranged marrige does not exist in Islam, thats culture. Its prohibited in Islam.
In some cultures (like mine) it is advised to marry one that they know via friends or such like that.
The sunah is the teachings of our prophet muhammad (saws). The only holy book is indeed the Quran (in islam). The sunah are the teachings and how the prophet lived and dealed with things in his life, we follow his lead.
Most of the wifes of the prophet were only because of political reasons, "marry her and we will unite". He was the only one that wed those woman and no-one else could marry them (after he passed away saws).
Im sorry for my english, i hope you understand it.
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Asalaamu 3alaikom wara7matuAllahi wabarakatuh
its called a jelaba. Its common to wear it here, just like the christians and jews wear it (and the woman to).
Question for you: are you a convert to islam?
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I used to love it, hence why I had such problems with leaving in the first place, but I want to avoid all that now. I do have clothes prevalent in the Indian subcontinent (shalwar kameez, neat waistcoats, etc), but I mix it with Western clothes too.
At some stage in hell, the miserable sinner will have suffered as much as the person they have murdered, raped, etc. Since the neverending torture will last literally for all eternity they will reach a point when they will have suffered longer than the combined earthly lifetime of every single human being who ever existed. And yet the torture would continue and never end.
And you know the worst thing about it? All that will come about simply because you disagree with the ideology and lifestyles constructed by Muhammad and his band of merry muslims. You don’t have to murder anyone, you don’t have to cheat and swindle everyone you encounter, you can live a good life where you selflessly give all for the sake of others. You will still suffer this punishment if you dare to declare your disbelief in allah and Muhammad as his messenger and prophet.
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I see.
Yes I know what the Sunnah is, but I still don't understand why some Muslims say you can't understand the Qur'an correctly without the Sunnah. I mean, if the Qur'an was sent down from Allah, perfect without errors, then why do you need the Sunah too? Is the Qur'an not enough? For me it seems that the Sunnah is put on the same (or almost the same) level as the Qur'an.
OK. But how many wives did he have?
No need to say sorry, your English is good, I understand very well what you write.
My English is not the best either, because I'm not a native English speaker. So just don't worry about it.
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I see.
Yes I know what the Sunnah is, but I still don't understand why some Muslims say you can't understand the Qur'an correctly without the Sunnah. I mean, if the Qur'an was sent down from Allah, perfect without errors, then why do you need the Sunah too? Is the Qur'an not enough? For me it seems that the Sunnah is put on the same (or almost the same) level as the Qur'an.
OK. But how many wives did he have?
No need to say sorry, your English is good, I understand very well what you write.
My English is not the best either, because I'm not a native English speaker. So just don't worry about it.
Bukhari vol.1:282 (p.172-173) Mohammed had nine wives.
My arabic is beter haha.
THe holy Quran is the litteral word of Allah swt and Muhammad saws was the best that followed His words. Thats why Allah commended us to follow the profet (how you write it with prophet or profet?).
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Muslims do treat the Qurân as their only holy book but the Ahadith (which log stories as well as practices of Muhammad and his companions) takes pride of place. A lot of the manner in which muslims act, or pithy sayings they use and live by, come from the Ahadith (plural of Hadith = Tradition). Basically, think of the words of the Qurân in part as similar to words that Jesus may have uttered in the Bible. Now add the stories of Jesus doing this or doing that, going here or going there, and you have the Ahadith. So if you mixed the Ahadith with the Qurân youd get sort of an equivalent of the Bible.What importance do Muslims give to the Sunnah? As far as I know, the Qur'an does not go without it, but someone in here told me lately that the Qur'an is the only Holy book in Islam. So I'm a little confused now
The ahadith log all the important things: manner of prayer, number of prayers, how to act in certain situations, supplications to recite on all occasions, and suchlike. These days you have a lot of Qurân Aloners who reject all ahadith. I went through a brief phrase like that, most of it caused by embarrassment from Muhammads actions in the ahadith. And Islâmic Scholars (as in scholars of critical studies of Islâm, NOT muslim scholars!) widely accept that a lot of ahadith came after Muhammads time and retconned back to his period. Ahadith discussing philosophical concepts that clearly belong to a later timeperiod crop up every so often, and some jurisprudence cases which drew on ahadith never mention certain ones that would have supported their side.
One of the exmuslims I speak to, who spent 40 years following Islâm solidly and truly, proselytising all over the world, had this to say on the subject:
I cant, however, reject all ahadith since the majority paint too consistent a picture of Muhammad.
Yeah you do
No, I havent married yet. About to hit the big Jesus age: 33, so that makes me past my sell by date in our culture!may I ask if you are married? If yes, are you married to a Muslim woman? (You don't have to answer to these questions, just if you want. )I'm just curious to know
As a youth I supported arranged marriages strongly. As I grew up and mixed with wide varieties of people all over the world, I came to realise my rosy image of arranged marriages came from living amongst people like my parents and my immediate aunt and uncle, all of whom had great arranged marriages.
I have, however, come to know plenty of muslims around my age or a little older who have had love marriages, and plenty who have had forced marriages. One woman living in Norway now, for example. Not forced in the sense of having to marry the man her mother picked, but having her family emotionally blackmail her into the marriage. And I see a lot of that these days, which surprised me when I first encountered it.
Technically, and what I grew up knowing as arranged marriages, involves finding a suitable applicant through various means, then the families meeting, with the guy and girl discussing things with each other while chaperoned (though never anything crude as on a date, heaven forfend!
). If they like each other the other family visits, they get to know each other, etc. and then make a decision about marrying after a few meetings.It doesnt quite work out like that, though. My sisters marriage, for example, happened because she fell in love with a close friend of mine, and I engineered it so that my parents got to know him as a family friend and then ask for my sisters hand in marriage. So it seemed arranged. A necessary evil for a happy ending.
Yeah, the accounts vary. Around 9 wives and definitely 2 mistresses (one a Jew the other a Coptic Christian), presumably slave girl concubines as well. The usual party line, which I used to spout as well, features Muhammad marrying them to cement political arrangements with other tribes, or to take care of these women. But the best Islâmic sources (sahih ahadith, biographies by ibn Ishaq, etc.) clearly point out the sexual nature of a lot of these trysts. Some of them came from people whose men the muslims had slaughtered. The Islâmic line involves that when muslims conquer a tribe and take their women as slaves, it immediately annuls whatever previous marriage the women had.
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Hi there
I dont know if I made myself clear in my first message
I believe in God and my main point of the topic was that, to prove HIS existance . so the ingredients that originated the big bang must have only originated by HIS Majesty.
by the way 'the ingredients' are actually have Zero volume and infinite density, but in essence there is 'No Ingredients'.
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I dont think You quite understand!
I say there is a God, who must have created the Order in the planets, and also the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics!
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I have some problems with this response. A all-powerful God doesn't get what he wants?--that's a bit unusual. If an omni-potent God desires that all of his Creation enters Paradise, then it would happen, it doesn't make much sense that lowly microsopic creations would in a sense have the upper hand and deny Allah what He desires. It seems to me Allah as displayed in the Qu'ran is perfectly content with sending multitudes of people to Hellfire if they lack a belief in Him or Muhammed as the Final messenger or the Angels, or the revised biblical stories, etc. I think the constant repetition of the Hellfire verses are a tactic used to scared folks into submission. To have "If you don't believe this, this and this, you're going to be tormented endlessly without mercy" hammered into your mind constantly I think can definitely frighten some people.
It's not necessarily about committing evil acts. What about the observant and Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans, etc that avoid evil acts-they're doomed to Hellfire because they lacked a belief in Allah as described in the Qur'an and validity of the Qur'an itself. People find truth in many different scriptures, and I don't see the Islamic scriptures being any more valid then other religious texts.
I hear all these things about clear signs and it's so blantantly obvious that you would have to be a fool to miss it....I must be a fool then, because I don't see these clear signs..From what I've read of the Qur'an, I see a text that's filled with threats of Hellfire, praise of Allah, condemnation of Pagans and Jews, and stories from the bible. The Qur'an's validation of itself isn't a clear sign, just circular logic.. I hear that the Qur'an is completely easy to understand-then why are there multitudes of hadiths, extensive scholarly interpretations, etc? There are still things subject to debate among Muslim scholars.
If theists want to say that their God will send you to Hellfire for eternity to be tortured and that's the way it is, then that's okay..because if you truely believe that, then that's what you believe, I'd imagine you'd be in constant fear of a deity like that but in any case, my problem is when they turn around and say that their God is wonderful, loving and merciful that can't be reconciled by any means. Or those highly disturbed theists that actually rejoice at the thought of multitudes of people suffering endessly-I think that's just disgusting.
I would like to add that this "openly denying truth" doesn't apply to all non-believers, I'll wager and say most of them. People lack a belief in something because they don't find it convincing enough to be considered true. Not because they completely realize it's 100% true but would just disregard it and I think a lot of theists over look that. If I believed the Qur'an was 100% valid and that Allah was true, I wouldn't deny it..I sure as heck wouldn't be happy about it, but I would accept it and follow the Islamic path because I would be insane to want to be burn in Hellfire forever.
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I used to love it, hence why I had such problems with leaving in the first place, but I want to avoid all that now. I do have clothes prevalent in the Indian subcontinent (shalwar kameez, neat waistcoats, etc), but I mix it with Western clothes too.
At some stage in hell, the miserable sinner will have suffered as much as the person they have murdered, raped, etc. Since the neverending torture will last literally for all eternity they will reach a point when they will have suffered longer than the combined earthly lifetime of every single human being who ever existed. And yet the torture would continue and never end.
And you know the worst thing about it? All that will come about simply because you disagree with the ideology and lifestyles constructed by Muhammad and his band of merry muslims. You dont have to murder anyone, you dont have to cheat and swindle everyone you encounter, you can live a good life where you selflessly give all for the sake of others. You will still suffer this punishment if you dare to declare your disbelief in allah and Muhammad as his messenger and prophet.
Yep exactly...
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Now it's clear.
Just weird that Allah sent down something which is not "complete" without the Ahadith.
As a youth I supported arranged marriages strongly. As I grew up and mixed with wide varieties of people all over the world, I came to realise my rosy image of arranged marriages came from living amongst people like my parents and my immediate aunt and uncle, all of whom had great arranged marriages.
I have, however, come to know plenty of muslims around my age or a little older who have had love marriages, and plenty who have had forced marriages. One woman living in Norway now, for example. Not forced in the sense of having to marry the man her mother picked, but having her family emotionally blackmail her into the marriage. And I see a lot of that these days, which surprised me when I first encountered it.
Technically, and what I grew up knowing as arranged marriages, involves finding a suitable applicant through various means, then the families meeting, with the guy and girl discussing things with each other while chaperoned (though never anything crude as on a date, heaven forfend!
It doesnt quite work out like that, though. My sisters marriage, for example, happened because she fell in love with a close friend of mine, and I engineered it so that my parents got to know him as a family friend and then ask for my sisters hand in marriage. So it seemed arranged. A necessary evil for a happy ending.
Thanks for explaining this to me.
This was also my impression, that Muhammad did not marry them "only" because of political issues.
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