Ask a physicist anything. (6)

[Insane_Duck]

Your's is not a religion in the least; it's just monkey see monkey do. If you had wrote about your whatever 3500 years ago you might be able to compare notes. Heck, I'd even grant you as recently as 1300 AD. Off the cuff 2 hours ago does not count as foresight

(And I'd expect you t know better than to associate me with religion by now - you really thought you could sneak that in there?

My toaster inspired my holy book 7,777 years ago. What are you talking about? Mine evidently has more prestige and truth in it than yours.

 

[razeontherock]

YouTube - ‪MontyPython Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch‬‏

(I like the earlier scene better, where the monks are hitting themselves in the head)

 

[Insane_Duck]

YouTube - ‪MontyPython Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch‬‏

(I like the earlier scene better, where the monks are hitting themselves in the head)

Ever see Life of Brian?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Specific predictions is the realm of scientific theory, right? So why would you want to project that upon an entirely different discipline? Scripture isn't even observation; it's revelation. And it provokes questions such as: of what nature is this "Light?"

Nonetheless, if you propose the Bible as having 'prior knowledge', the onus is on you to demonstrate as such. Remember, your original post was:

"Sounds a lot like G-d is Light, combined with "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. (Psalm 19)"

If you're not suggesting the Bible contains knowledge that's only now being discovered by scientists, then I don't know what your point was.

The early pioneers of science understood they were merely looking at G-d's handiwork, and attempting to understand the "how," when (sometimes) the why had already been revealed.

They certainly believed that. The early scientists sought evidence for things like the Great Flood - they were Creationists. What they found did not conform to their prior beliefs.

Now between CMBR and string theory, I am not claiming that either represents G-d Himself, or even that He operates at that level or in that manner. I am proposing that BOTH exist as a means of insight into who He truly is ...

How so?

That dog don't hunt. If you made up a religion, any vague resemblance would have the benefit of hindsight. And just because I see a clear connection, would not mean that you would

And it really puzzles me why atheists think that a different religion that may have something just as valid would in any way "invalidate" anything

G-d has always reached out to mankind.

Because we so often hear Christians go on about how their religion is the only way. Yet, any effort of their part to actually demonstrate this can be used by other religions to show that they are the One True Faith. The criticism, then, is that the claim to the uniqueness of Christianity is unfounded. Your original post seemed to say that "This piece of scientific evidence is also evidence for my religion" - which, as FrenchyBearpaw pointed out, is not the case.

This that we're responding to was no better than Insane Duck's madlibs, which can be reduced to "I know you are but what am I?" i.e., entirely bankrupt[/quote]
I would say it's more of a wry attempt to make a point.

 

[Naraoia]

Sounds a lot like G-d is Light, combined with "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. (Psalm 19)

God is a black body?

Well, basically, it's just due to how amazingly bright the CMB is. Something like 99% of all of the radiation ever emitted is in the CMB. In fact, the CMB is so incredibly bright, that in the frequency range where the CMB is near its peak, the small deviations in temperature, which are fluctuations of around one part in one hundred thousand in temperature, are much brighter than our galaxy across most of the sky.

*readjusts sense of scale*

Yup!

Thanks!

(I like the earlier scene better, where the monks are hitting themselves in the head)

I remember getting some strange looks from the kids on the corridor when we watched Holy Grail in English class and a bunch of us left the classroom with notebooks in hand, chanting "Pie Iesu domine..." *WHACK*

 

[Insane_Duck]

I remember getting some strange looks from the kids on the corridor when we watched Holy Grail in English class and a bunch of us left the classroom with notebooks in hand, chanting "Pie Iesu domine..." *WHACK*

My Latin teacher had us all watch Brian get schooled in Latin at sword point.

Is the whole Holy Grail movie considered school appropriate? (with the temple of virgins and all)

*random video powers go!*

YouTube - ‪Pope and Michaelangelo‬‏

 

[Naraoia]

My Latin teacher had us all watch Brian get schooled in Latin at sword point.

Is the whole Holy Grail movie considered school appropriate? (with the temple of virgins and all)

Apparently it was "appropriate" enough for my school.

 

[pgp_protector]

Question.
I know their are underwater volcanic extreamaphiles, but are their lifeforms that live near surface lava lakes / flowes?

 

[Chalnoth]

Question.
I know their are underwater volcanic extreamaphiles, but are their lifeforms that live near surface lava lakes / flowes?

Haha, not exactly a question to ask a physicist

However, my naive suspicion is that there is none or next to none, because those lava flows are far above the boiling point of water, so that there basically isn't going to be any liquid water in the vicinity, which life on Earth needs.

 

[Insane_Duck]

Apparently it was "appropriate" enough for my school.

It is an incredibly funny movie. But I can't see my teachers showing it in full. (of course, I'm in high school )

 

[mzungu]

Few know that this man called Aristotle; Invented the science of biology!
BBC has once more given us an excellent documentary:

YouTube - ‪Aristotle's Lagoon 1 of 4‬‏

 

[Naraoia]

It is an incredibly funny movie. But I can't see my teachers showing it in full. (of course, I'm in high school )

Maybe you go to school in the wrong country

 

[pgp_protector]

Haha, not exactly a question to ask a physicist

However, my naive suspicion is that there is none or next to none, because those lava flows are far above the boiling point of water, so that there basically isn't going to be any liquid water in the vicinity, which life on Earth needs.

but what is the last word of the thread title?

 

[razeontherock]

6?

 

[razeontherock]

I remember getting some strange looks from the kids on the corridor when we watched Holy Grail in English class and a bunch of us left the classroom with notebooks in hand, chanting "Pie Iesu domine..." *WHACK*

Bolded part means Jesus is God is 3, right? And here I thought 3 was the number to count for the Holy hand grenade ...

If you follow the little blue arrow back, you will see your comment "God is a black body?" I'm missing something. Why is that relevant?

 

[razeontherock]

Nonetheless, if you propose the Bible as having 'prior knowledge', the onus is on you to demonstrate as such. Remember, your original post was:

"Sounds a lot like G-d is Light, combined with "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. (Psalm 19)"

If you're not suggesting the Bible contains knowledge that's only now being discovered by scientists, then I don't know what your point was.

Close! I'm saying that G-d Himself intentionally provoked our curiosity and desire to learn. An example is the way a parent will teach their child how to put together a jigsaw puzzle; you leave clues, but make them do the work otherwise they don't develop.

So if you look at the word I bolded in your snipped quote here, I'm not saying there was some coded knowledge G-d gave us so we'd know w/o doing any work. Consider it part of a great Biblical precept, that "the seed is in itself," so that it brings forth after it's own kind. (Which will certainly mutate

religions to show that they are the One True Faith.

Amazing how this is ALWAYS on topic on CF The worst elements of "religion" revolve around this tired idea. The C claim of "only way to the Father" actually expresses something very different from this, but certainly C's have mistakenly allowed themselves to be dragged into the "my Dad can beat up your Dad" argument.

You'll notice Jesus never said anything to that effect.

Your original post seemed to say that "This piece of scientific evidence is also evidence for my religion"

Thanks for using the word "seems." This conclusion goes beyond my statement. Your earlier comment was closer to the mark; I pointed out a similarity.

 

[Naraoia]

Bolded part means Jesus is God is 3, right?

No, it's addressing the Lord Jesus. Based on my rusty little Latin plus some dictionary browsing, "Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem" means something like "Holy Lord Jesus, give them rest"

If you follow the little blue arrow back, you will see your comment "God is a black body?" I'm missing something. Why is that relevant?

The CMBR is the spectrum of a nearly perfect black body, a black body being something that absorbs all radiation falling on it (so that anything it emits is completely determined by its temperature). So if the CMBR is God light, then God is a black body.

 

[Chalnoth]

The CMBR is the spectrum of a nearly perfect black body, a black body being something that absorbs all radiation falling on it (so that anything it emits is completely determined by its temperature). So if the CMBR is God light, then God is a black body.

Besides, the relationship is quite obviously a pure accident when you look at the "let there be light" phrase in context.

At the time, after all, it says that "the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters" immediately prior to this statement. However, at and before the time the CMB was emitted, our universe was exceedingly smooth, the same in all directions. There were no up or down, no way to be above anything, and no waters to speak of.

Then, if that weren't enough, the very next verse after "let there be light" removes all doubt, as he says, "God saw that the light was good, and he separated light from darkness." However, the CMB radiation has never been separated between light and dark: it's the same temperature, the same brightness everywhere.

It is only if you pick a single verse out of context that it seems to even remotely match reality. Instead, if you read the whole of Genesis 1 (plus verses 1-3 of Genesis 2), it is quite clear that this is a creation myth that is reasonably descriptive and completely divorced from reality. It is the exact sort of thing you would expect a group of ignorant tribesmen to come up with thousands of years ago. And though there are some statements which, if taken out of context, can be construed to sorta kinda fit reality, there isn't one single insight into the true nature of reality to be had. And it would be very easy to do this: a simple statement like "the Sun is a star" would have been an amazing insight that nobody had at the time.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Does the physical "principle of least action" apply to people walking up mountains?

 

[Chalnoth]

Does the physical "principle of least action" apply to people walking up mountains?

Absolutely! The principle of least action, as it applies to Newtonian physics (which is applicable in this case) is just a rewriting of Newton's second law (F=ma).

And the action, by the way, which is minimized really doesn't have anything to do with anything we normally think of in our day-to-day lives. The action is the integral of the difference between potential and kinetic energy over a path. And objects always take the path which minimizes this integral. This should seem very strange and counter-intuitive, but in reality it's just F=ma written another way.