This kind of thinking leads to a god which doesn't have foreknowledge - which means that prophecy isn't a thing.
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Then you are not understanding the difference between creating beings with freewill
verses creating problems. God has no problems... and God creates no problems...
This kind of thinking leads to a god which doesn't have foreknowledge - which means that prophecy isn't a thing.
The Infinite Creator has exhaustive foreknowledge on everything that can be known. If you believe "this kind
of thinking" leads to a lack of omniscience... then you didn't understand "this kind of thinking."
OK. So god has "exhaustive foreknowledge" on everything that can be known. Can it be known that the things it created would make bad choices which lead to problems?
OK. So god has "exhaustive foreknowledge" on everything that can be known. Can it be known that the things it created would make bad choices which lead to problems?
If by "bad choices" you mean wickedness or gross iniquity in the sight of a Holy God... then you need to
substantiate what you mean by "problems."
I have children, I was fully aware of their imperfection and various missteps that might occur as they grow through experience in life.
That's a legitimate question, I often glean from atheist that deep inside what you are really frustrated by are the circumstances that we on this world find ourselves in, the consequences of the behavior of others that we are born into and the attempts of the religious to explain it.If you had the power, would you change things so that their journey was less painful? Or do you watch them suffering and think that situation is the best of all possible worlds?
That's a legitimate question, I often glean from atheist that deep inside what you are really frustrated by are the circumstances that we on this world find ourselves in, the consequences of the behavior of others that we are born into and the attempts of the religious to explain it.
To answer your question, no, it's not love to shield our children from the consequences of their actions
Sorry to be blunt, but your mind reading skills suck. Whatever school you took the course at should give you a refund.
I wasn't talking about consequences of their actions. I was talking about things out of their control - the "imperfections" they were born with.
Personally, I am quite fine with the state of affairs (it´s just the way it is, and I have to deal with it) - until somebody comes and tells me that this is the best world an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent creator entity could come up with.That's a legitimate question, I often glean from atheist that deep inside what you are really frustrated by are the circumstances that we on this world find ourselves in, the consequences of the behavior of others that we are born into and the attempts of the religious to explain it.
I mean did god create people knowing that they would sin, or was god powerless to stop or ignorant of this problem coming from its creation?
until somebody comes and tells me that this is the best world an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent creator entity could come up with.
1. Not sure how that addresses what I said in the context of the quote I responded to.It is a temporary creation that is setting up for a symmetrical afterlife.
"Omnibenevolent" doesn't mean what you
think it means. It doesn't mean omni-forgiving or omni-loving. God is perfectly all-good, but justice is part
of God's goodness and righteousness/holiness as well. Question everything.
I wasn't trying to read your mind, I was trying to answer the question I felt you were asking. Why do you feel like you have to be nasty?
I don't hold the imperfections of my children against them at all, I have plenty.
God as I understand God doesn't hold the imperfections of his finite children against them either
Why do you feel that constructive criticism about your displayed weaknesses is nasty?
Again, that isn't what I asked. If you had the power to do so, would you want to fix those imperfections?
Great, so I don't have to worry about my lack of belief since there's no down side to it.
You accused me a mind reading and were wrong, seems you are the one with poor mind reading skills.
We can improve upon our imperfections, so we do have a degree of power to fix them.
There is ultimately a downside to spiritual laziness like there is a downside to quitting school, refusing to grow up and refusing an education. In an increasingly spiritual universe there won't be anywhere for such a rebellious child to go.
I have answered your question. Don't ask if you are unwilling to accept the answer. I like the challenge of the unknown, of growing in truth and experience. You are a finite being, if you don't like the infinite source of reality then take your complaints to the source and explain how and why your way is better.Everyone else - does this poster always go this far out of his way to avoid answering a simple question?
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