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I'm familiar with your reasons for not accepting these contradictions, and they're nothing more than special pleading.I am familiar with all of them and have reasons why they are not contradictions. I could give you a link to these reasons if you would like.
Ok, well simply stating something is an instance of special pleading or that the accounts of Judas' death are contradictory in no way establishes that the special pleading has happened or that the accounts of Judas' death are contradictory.I'm familiar with your reasons for not accepting these contradictions, and they're nothing more than special pleading.
For instance, the manner of Judas' death is a contradiction, plain and simple.
Yup! And as such, our desires naturally cause us to resist truths that are in the bible. Every. Single. One. Of. Us.
Though it is not impossible to overcome (1 John 4:4).
Ok, well simply stating something is an instance of special pleading or that the accounts of Judas' death are contradictory in no way establishes that the special pleading has happened or that the accounts of Judas' death are contradictory.
You would need to present proof. If you would like to formally debate me on it, then we can. My current debate partner is not really putting up much of a fight.
If it meets the criteria for special pleading, it can be called special pleading.Ok, well simply stating something is an instance of special pleading or that the accounts of Judas' death are contradictory in no way establishes that the special pleading has happened or that the accounts of Judas' death are contradictory.
You would hold others to a standard that you cannot meet yourself?You would need to present proof.
lol.If you would like to formally debate me on it, then we can. My current debate partner is not really putting up much of a fight.
We can honestly say it is plausible that it exists as a farily accurate and reliable statement of actual events, and it is plausible that someone has forged it.Then we should talk about what we know for certain:
The Gospels weren't signed by their authors.
The Gospels are anonymous.
They were written in a language Jesus didn't speak.
They were written a generation after Jesus died.
They were written from a country Jesus never visited.
They contain discrepancies and contradictions.
Matthew & Luke copied heavily from Mark.
John is so different in style and content, that this Gospel is referred to as the "maverick" Gospel.
There are no extant originals, only copies.
The Gospels are written in third person narrative, not as if by eyewitnesses.
Given what we know then, what can really be objectively asserted by this particular passage?
Is there no truth in the bible that you naturally prefer to resist?Incorrect. I have desired belief in an afterlife for many years, but my desire to believe it and have it be true has thus far not made me think it is. I would rather go to the hell I do not believe in than the nonexistence I do after I die.
I am referring to truths though, not whether claims have held sufficient evidence to withstand the extent of scrutiny a person wants to bring upon it. Whether the implied meaning of a statement is true or not does not always depend on the ability to be fully certain that the person who is said to have said it, really did say it.Depends what type of desires and motivations a person has.
If one has a desire, to seek what is most likely true in the most objective way possible, they will seek means of doing so that are independently verifiable.
Since much of the bible is quite difficult to verify as credible, people have to take it on faith and faith, is only needed, when there is no objective independent verification.
I consider Jesus' reply to Pilate to be an unsupportable assertion.We can honestly say it is plausible that it exists as a farily accurate and reliable statement of actual events, and it is plausible that someone has forged it.
I am interested to know what you think when you consider it possible and plausible that the words are given fairly accurately and reliably.
Did Judas hang himself, or fall headlong onto his sword and spill his guts?Ok, well simply stating something is an instance of special pleading or that the accounts of Judas' death are contradictory in no way establishes that the special pleading has happened or that the accounts of Judas' death are contradictory.
You would need to present proof. If you would like to formally debate me on it, then we can. My current debate partner is not really putting up much of a fight.
I am referring to truths though, not whether claims have held sufficient evidence to withstand the extent of scrutiny a person wants to bring upon it. Whether the implied meaning of a statement is true or not does not always depend on the ability to be fully certain that the person who is said to have said it, really did say it.
We can honestly say it is plausible that it exists as a farily accurate and reliable statement of actual events, and it is plausible that someone has forged it.
I am interested to know what you think when you consider it possible and plausible that the words are given fairly accurately and reliably.
I suspect that's because there is no one to fight.Ok, well simply stating something is an instance of special pleading or that the accounts of Judas' death are contradictory in no way establishes that the special pleading has happened or that the accounts of Judas' death are contradictory.
You would need to present proof. If you would like to formally debate me on it, then we can. My current debate partner is not really putting up much of a fight.
First you would need to establish that there are contradictions in the bible.
I am familiar with all of them and have reasons why they are not contradictions. I could give you a link to these reasons if you would like.
Many NT historians disagree with you.
Very little of the NT, is considered credible history when the historical method is applied. Most NT historians have a consensus that the following are likely accurate:
-Jesus was a real person (though more scrutiny is growing in this area)
-Jesus was baptized
-Jesus had followers
-Jesus was crucified
Beyond that, not much of what Jesus said or was claimed to have done, is considered credible history.
As in, you aren't a worthy opponent.
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