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Ash Wednesday, Still No Common Knowledge of Orthodoxy

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I'm seeing lots of articles about Ash Wednesday today in the news, but nothing on Orthodox Lent. One article said "Lent Begins Today". I'm like, Western Lent begins today, not "Lent Begins Today".

There is still such a huge lack of common knowledge of Orthodoxy. What can be done about this?

BTW, are there any writers on this forum? This question is related to the question above.
 

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we gotta keep converting souls and bringing them home. the more Americans become Orthodox, the less we can be ignored. the problem is that since we are 'Muricans, I imagine this will be in the looooooong haul with this.
 
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Gimme a chance please :)

We are doing some education about Lent and the Great Fast in Traditional Theology - ask GoingByzantine and Kylissa. We are being backed up by others too.

You know that according to Newspapers the East - Catholic and Orthodox doesn't exist - they can't cope with our Calendars .

BUT we can work quietly here and at local level then the knowledge can and should spread.
 
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Yes, trying to post in GT and especially TT. The newspapers here took some interest in Theophany, but I don't know how significant that is or isn't.

I have worked as a writer, but I'm not the best editor. I tend to be long-winded if I don't slice it down.
 
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Oh Kylissa - Theophany is different - there's piccies of Russians diving for the Cross in a frozen river - that's photogenic so they get the publicity :)
There's piccies of priests fully vested [ ooooooh those very different and very colourful robes ! ] getting their feet wet at the edge of a river.

Our Pascha baskets , the midnight knocking on the closed doors of the darkened Church don't attract attention -sadly.
 
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I've seen commercials on TV for Roman Catholicism, and some I thought were very well done. I wonder if Orthodoxy could ever afford something like that.

Though, some thought the Roman Catholic ones were tacky and went against the dignity of their church.
 
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I'm seeing lots of articles about Ash Wednesday today in the news, but nothing on Orthodox Lent. One article said "Lent Begins Today". I'm like, Western Lent begins today, not "Lent Begins Today".

There is still such a huge lack of common knowledge of Orthodoxy. What can be done about this?

BTW, are there any writers on this forum? This question is related to the question above.

I would think there are a lot of writers here. I'm one.
 
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Organisation, yes, definitely needed.

There will always be nay sayers but I wonder what marketing strategies the church could make use of. Yes marketing couldn't be a more hideous term, it is however something which is practical and is done to a small extent by some parishes anyway. Public relations through Greek/Russian days and open days. Just need to think on a bigger scale.

A great proportion of us on this board are converts. Cast your mind back to what brought you towards Orthodox and some answers may lie there.
 
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An example of being present publically.

I don't know if it is the same in the US, but in UK and much of Europe there are war memorials in every village and town. A small church service takes part on 11th Nov. Now, for Orthodox clergy *dressed as Orthodox clergy* were to be present with members of community, that will give good impression to the other residents of that town or village.

The worst thing to happen is to ghetto-ise the church.
 
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Hey Dewi Sant, we have many war memorials in our towns and cities. And for us, our "Remembrance Day" (right name?) is "Veterans Day, 11 November

I like your idea of going to the War memorials and doing a service. Our next military holiday is Memorial Day (in May). There is a war memorial right across the street from my parish. Perhaps I'll suggest that idea to my priest.

I agree that we've "ghetto-ised" the Church too much. That's why I was thinking of a really good PBS documentary on Orthodoxy and Orthodoxy in America. We could have Jonathan Jackson, Tom Hanks, Troy Polamalu, a few other celebrities who take their faith seriously be interviewed on the documentary.

I think this will go way better than a movie like "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", as cute and funny as it was, I just feel it just cemented the idea that being Greek and being Orthodox is one and the same, but the Greekness takes precedent over the Orthodoxy-ness.
 
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Hey Dewi Sant, we have many war memorials in our towns and cities. And for us, our "Remembrance Day" (right name?) is "Veterans Day, 11 November

I like your idea of going to the War memorials and doing a service. Our next military holiday is Memorial Day (in May). There is a war memorial right across the street from my parish. Perhaps I'll suggest that idea to my priest.

I agree that we've "ghetto-ised" the Church too much. That's why I was thinking of a really good PBS documentary on Orthodoxy and Orthodoxy in America. We could have Jonathan Jackson, Tom Hanks, Troy Polamalu, a few other celebrities who take their faith seriously be interviewed on the documentary.

I think this will go way better than a movie like "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", as cute and funny as it was, I just feel it just cemented the idea that being Greek and being Orthodox is one and the same, but the Greekness takes precedent over the Orthodoxy-ness.
 
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It is paradoxical, perhaps, that in trying to bring the faith to other Westerners, Orthodox are often perceived as being "anti-Western" due to theological disagreements with Western Christianity. How to bring fellow Western people into churches that seem predisposed to dislike or at least disagree with things that these same people have grown up thinking of as the essence of Christianity in toto...

To that end, I would think that before food fairs and TV commercials, EO might think about increasing the visibility, number, and support of their "Western Rite" churches. I know there is some tension surrounding these churches and some criticisms of them (I have read essays from the likes of Fr. Alexander Schmemann on this matter, and I get the impression he is not to be dismissed in EO circles), though that is all the more reason to put work into them, right? You guys aren't lazy. You might not think it, but you have the numbers (both converts and cradles) to do amazing things in the West on a large scale, even if it seems that the will often isn't there.

Speaking of writing and writers, do any Western Rite churches or supporters of WRO publish their own materials on them? I ask because I know that within my own communion, the British Orthodox Church within the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate in Europe has done some very good work with their Glastonbury Review magazine, which publishes articles on their current activities as well as historical connections between the Isles and the wider OO. You can also find a number of videos of everyday Britons being baptized, tonsured, etc. in their church on Youtube and elsewhere, which I would imagine helps increase the feeling for other British people that this is a church by them, for them (which is, after all, the entire reason that it exists in the first place). The French Coptic Orthodox Church has a similar pedigree, though I have seen much less from them (probably because I don't know French, so I don't know how to search for it online). I have seen videos online featuring most/all hours of the Coptic Agpeya (Horologion) chanted in not-Arabic-accented French; I'm assuming that's them.

I don't think it's by any means a hopeless case, but all this stuff about the impression being that Greekness is more important than Orthodoxy isn't exactly going to be fixed by having Greek (Serbian, Russian, whatever) food fairs and folk dancing and whatnot. Granted, I still showed up to the local OCA's Glendi food festival every year when I lived in California (there aren't OO churches there, so where else was I supposed to go be a nerd), and they had wonderful talks on EO music, iconography, and church architecture, too, which managed to include more than just Russian or other Slavic chant (if I remember correctly there are a number of Ethiopians and Eritreans in that particular parish, and the talk on "EO" music included a little demonstration of some chant that they brought them).
 
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I don't have any answers. I've listened to a few priests speaking on the subject, and their most common recommendation was to minister to local needs. Clothing closets, food pantries, and so on.

Father was very interested in getting more people to become interested as a result of the Greek festival. He focused on Church tours and answering questions, and offered a follow-up series of evening classes that was well-attended. Our parish doesn't do much in the evening though, and afaik our regular morning Bible study has increased by one person as a result. To keep the others, Vespers or evening catechesis might have helped? I am unsure.

I myself have wished that Orthodox radio was available live. I download a lot to listen to, but in the car I sometimes listen to EWTN. If we had radio or TV available, I would listen and watch. But it's probably very expensive for the level of interest likely to be generated. Honestly, I see a small steady trickle coming in the same way I did - from meeting Orthodox Christians in an online forum.

A few are drawn in by books gifted to them. But of the ones I know, it is a connection to a person (usually online) that gets them interested.

Truly though - no one hears of the Orthodox Church in many cases. I knew of the Greek Festival for years, but we also have a Scottish Highland festival and others, and I thought it was purely an ethnic demonstration. I never knew of the Church until I came here to CF.

The truly ironic thing is that I spent years in Texas on the farm, looking desperately for a church, and never even knew there was an Orthodox monastery less than 5 minutes from my farm.
 
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Here's an example. I happened to be searching for something else and came upon a website that is the books for dummies series.

To experiement, I searched for Orthodoxy, Orthodox, Orthodox Christianity, and got almost nothing.

Here's an example:

Content Search - For Dummies

Who would like to collaborate with me and see if we can get an "Orthodox Christianity for Dummies" put on that site?
 
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*Not EO. Question.

I am just curious. Does it begin with forgiveness vespers or forgiveness Sunday? I know a regular poster here who has mentioned it outside of this forum for a number of years. I can never remember which one it is.
 
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Riley - the Sunday is called Sunday of Forgiveness as well as Cheesefast Sunday .

Cheesefast reminds us that from now we refrain from eating all dairy produce until Pascha [ unless our Priest/SF has mitigated the fast for us ]


Some Churches do not hold Vespers - mine doesn't as our Priest has to go to small groups of our people in other areas .

So for us - once Liturgy is over on Sunday we are actually entering the Great Fast.
 
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