As It Was In The Days Of Sodom...

[3rddaymessenger]

Preach the fear, brother! Have 'em cringing in the pews! But, don't forget that you are as 'filthy rags' and totally unqualified to preach such fire to anyone. The scary thing is that you don't realize this. You sound very much as if you're in league with the Fred Phelps ilk. And they, sadly, are sick puppies.

There is no love in your posts, 3rdday. To me, you're a joke.

Let me here and now offer you the opportunity to show me a "loving" way to tell all gays and lesbians that there lifestyle is inexplicably wrong, it is an abomination...and that you need to repent of it and ask God for healing and deliverance.

You can 'sugar-coat' the Truth all you want, but the end result and conclusion of the matter is still the same. We just aint gonna let up on ya and compropmise the Truth on the matter.

As long as the Truth is in your vicinity...you will be accosted by It. The Truth feels "abusive" only to the stubborn, rebellious and unrepentant. Always has...always will!

Bottom line of what you want is acceptance and to stay as you are...not a chance in Hell...it'll burn up there too!

 

[jamielindas]

Let me here and now offer you the opportunity to show me a "loving" way to tell all gays and lesbians that there lifestyle is inexplicably wrong, it is an abomination...and that you need to repent of it and ask God for healing and deliverance.

You can 'sugar-coat' the Truth all you want, but the end result and conclusion of the matter is still the same. We just aint gonna let up on ya and compropmise the Truth on the matter.

As long as the Truth is in your vicinity...you will be accosted by It. The Truth feels "abusive" only to the stubborn, rebellious and unrepentant. Always has...always will!

Bottom line of what you want is acceptance and to stay as you are...not a chance in Hell...it'll burn up there too!

I don't think i've ever found the truth to be 'abusive'....The truth has been very good to me.

I have a pretty great life... not nearly punished enough for you I'm sure... i wonder if that means that God accepts my life or satan is protecting me...

 

[3rddaymessenger]

I don't think i've ever found the truth to be 'abusive'....The truth has been very good to me.

I have a pretty great life... not nearly punished enough for you I'm sure... i wonder if that means that God accepts my life or satan is protecting me...

It’s Harvest Time

“History repeats itself.” Have you ever heard that? Well, it can be very true. Especially when we consider Biblical events and Prophetic fulfillment of Scriptures.

History is truly repeating itself and, actually, upon a grander scale of manifestation and influence. Many things that happened in Old Testament times were a kind of “seed form” of what was going to come to a full head in these end times. Things that took place as centrally located incidences - in cities, will now take place on a world-wide scale of manifestation and Judgment.

Case in point: Public and even, Political acceptance of Homosexuality as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19: 1-26). This is exactly the condition Sodom and Gomorrah were in just before God rained down “fire and brimstone” and destroyed them all, except for the Righteous who escaped.

Truly, as we see these things come to pass in our very day, it is very sad and tragic, but at the same time - as Christians - we can take courage and rejoice that God is about to empower His people for Spiritual Warfare, and send His cleansing Fire upon the perversion and filth of this world.

“Rejoice ye Heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth...” Rev. 12:12

Be aware of these things. God does not send judgment until He first warns. Be Warned! Make ready! This cleansing, destroying Judgment is now on the horizon and about to strike.

Repent! And be found safe and secure in Christ-alone. He is your only Safe-Place. Separate yourself from the perversions of this world and stand firm against it. Don’t be afraid of the immoral majority. God has ALWAYS dealt with and used and manifested His favor with the chosen and Righteous minority.

Yes, history repeats itself. But there is also a Harvest and a finality to Gods’ purposes. The harvest is ripe - of the wicked and of the Righteous, and the Final Judgment upon wickedness and the Final Vindication for the Righteous is about to unfold! What Harvest will you be in?

 

[D.W.Washburn]

Dear Lord, bring back Holy Ghost anointed, firey preaching, where the preacher is so on-fire and shouting that if you sit too close you'll get spit on!

You know, I always find that a little foaming at the mouth and flying spittle make an argument that much more convincing.

 

[kiwimac]

But of course and the more foam and spittle the truer it all is.

 

[D.W.Washburn]

But of course and the more foam and spittle the truer it all is.

This is why I believe EVERYthing that Sylvester the Cat ever said.

 

[KCKID]

Let me here and now offer you the opportunity to show me a "loving" way to tell all gays and lesbians that there lifestyle is inexplicably wrong, it is an abomination...and that you need to repent of it and ask God for healing and deliverance.

Here are the FACTS, 3rdday. God does NOT 'heal' homosexuality because it is not a sickness to BE healed. God does NOT change a homosexual into a heterosexual. Those who are under pressure to 'change' from the likes of people such as yourself do NOT receive answers from their prayers to God with regard to their homosexuality. After perhaps years of praying they remain homosexuals. This either means that God is not listening to them (or He doesn't exist) or He's quite alright with who they happen to be. THOSE are the facts! Savvy?

You can 'sugar-coat' the Truth all you want, but the end result and conclusion of the matter is still the same. We just aint gonna let up on ya and compropmise the Truth on the matter.

You can't handle the truth!! (I've been dying to use that phrase for years!) The truth is that God answers the prayers of homosexuals with silent affirmation. Did you understand that? I'll say it again. The truth is that God answers the prayers of homosexuals with silent affirmation. So, take your annoying harrassment elsewhere ...begin with those in your own church who are quite possibly living in adultery, y'know, those who divorced and remarried. Then progress to the greedy banks, greedy oil companies, greedy supermarket chains, greedy big business, greedy pharmeceutical companies, etc. etc. who are unashamedly bleeding the average citizen dry. Since you consider yourself some sort of a crusader for truth there is ALL MANNER of deceit going on out there!

As long as the Truth is in your vicinity...you will be accosted by It. The Truth feels "abusive" only to the stubborn, rebellious and unrepentant. Always has...always will!

What IS truth, 3rdday? Keeping the 7th-day Sabbath (Saturday) as commanded by God? Not eating unclean foods? Worshipping no other gods ...inadvertantly but nevertheless honoring Tammuz/Mithra the sun-god on his 'holy' day (Sunday)? Killing disobedient children? The list of Bible truths is endless.

Bottom line of what you want is acceptance and to stay as you are...not a chance in Hell...it'll burn up there too!

Not that my personal life is any of your business, 3rdday, but I am not 'gay'. But I AM a sinner. By contrast a homosexual (per se) is NOT a sinner. I don't believe the Bible states that sexual orientation is either right or wrong. It's only YOU and other wannabe 'mouth-pieces' for God who make such a claim, 3rdday. I personally don't believe you have the truth of Jesus Christ in you at all. You just like to self-righteously rant.

 

[Garyzenuf]

I actually thought the sodom & gomorrah story partly was putting down rape, not being Gay?

 

[3rddaymessenger]

KCKID: This was orinally my posting. you don't even have to respond if you don't like what it says. But since you did, I take that as a challenge to the Truth I believe and see clearly in Scripture. I usually don't even spend much time on this issue, but since the darkness is here, it merits attention.

It’s Harvest Time

“History repeats itself.” Have you ever heard that? Well, it can be very true. Especially when we consider Biblical events and Prophetic fulfillment of Scriptures.

History is truly repeating itself and, actually, upon a grander scale of manifestation and influence. Many things that happened in Old Testament times were a kind of “seed form” of what was going to come to a full head in these end times. Things that took place as centrally located incidences - in cities, will now take place on a world-wide scale of manifestation and Judgment.

Case in point: Public and even, Political acceptance of Homosexuality as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19: 1-26). This is exactly the condition Sodom and Gomorrah were in just before God rained down “fire and brimstone” and destroyed them all, except for the Righteous who escaped.

Truly, as we see these things come to pass in our very day, it is very sad and tragic, but at the same time - as Christians - we can take courage and rejoice that God is about to empower His people for Spiritual Warfare, and send His cleansing Fire upon the perversion and filth of this world.

“Rejoice ye Heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth...” Rev. 12:12

Be aware of these things. God does not send judgment until He first warns. Be Warned! Make ready! This cleansing, destroying Judgment is now on the horizon and about to strike.

Repent! And be found safe and secure in Christ-alone. He is your only Safe-Place. Separate yourself from the perversions of this world and stand firm against it. Don’t be afraid of the immoral majority. God has ALWAYS dealt with and used and manifested His favor with the chosen and Righteous minority.

Yes, history repeats itself. But there is also a Harvest and a finality to Gods’ purposes. The harvest is ripe - of the wicked and of the Righteous, and the Final Judgment upon wickedness and the Final Vindication for the Righteous is about to unfold! What Harvest will you be in?

 

[jamielindas]

A late harvest Riesling? Old vine Zin?

 

[Andreusz]

*BUMP* to 3rddaymessenger:

In what way is marriage betwen two elderly heterosexuals not 'a brash unashamed repudiation of God's laws of decency and reproductivity'?

 

[brightmorningstar]

Assumptions....

You've already made the assumption that the Bible is fact and that God made man and women with purpose. The evidence speaks to the contrary. I'm an empiricist by nature and require supporting evidence for my beliefs. Please support these assumptions with supporting evidence if you wish me to accept them.

This shows there are two very opposite worldviews and realities. I can see the human species has been classified by the male and the female according to their sexual reproductive organs, so functionally male and female go together sexually and male and male is dysfunctional. I would expect an empiricist to observe that. As with much of the debate we can’t even agree the meanings and understanding of words.

As to Sodom, as with accounts such as Noah and the flood, the NT reference and message is save ourselves from the coming destruction. God has made not only that salvation possible but eternal life and glorious inheritance, yet many people may not receive that loving inheritance because they are too angry and annoyed at the idea that God could let destruction happen in the first place or that what they hold most dear might be part of that destruction. Sodom was destroyed because of, and including all its sin and we are all as humans, thanks to disobedience through Adam and Eve (except it appears the gays and lesbians) guilty of all sin.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I still think it very strange how someone who, on the face of it, claims to be such a Bible literalist named himself "Bright Morning Star", as Biblically, the name "Morning Star" is used to refer to someone who might be considered to have somewhat negative associations (Isaiah 14:3-20)

 

[jamielindas]

This shows there are two very opposite worldviews and realities. I can see the human species has been classified by the male and the female according to their sexual reproductive organs, so functionally male and female go together sexually and male and male is dysfunctional. I would expect an empiricist to observe that. As with much of the debate we can’t even agree the meanings and understanding of words.

Agreed... male and male are dysfunctional as a reproductive pair. No one is going to argue with you on that one.
However, as complex social creatures, human beings have ceased to rule their lives by reproductive compatibility or ability. Hence the mention of non-reproducing heterosexual couples (either by choice, infertility, or age). Our value to ourselves and society no longer hinges on our ability to reproduce.
So I agree with you... empirically, gay couples and gay sex are useless for reproduction.

As with much of the debate we can’t even agree the meanings and understanding of words.

One of the fundamentals of debate and discussion is clarifying definitions or and assumptions. Without questioning the words and meanings, we cannot hope to understand each other's argument.

 

[KCKID]

Agreed... male and male are dysfunctional as a reproductive pair. No one is going to argue with you on that one.
However, as complex social creatures, human beings have ceased to rule their lives by reproductive compatibility or ability. Hence the mention of non-reproducing heterosexual couples (either by choice, infertility, or age). Our value to ourselves and society no longer hinges on our ability to reproduce.
So I agree with you... empirically, gay couples and gay sex are useless for reproduction.


[/size][/font]One of the fundamentals of debate and discussion is clarifying definitions or and assumptions. Without questioning the words and meanings, we cannot hope to understand each other's argument.

Hmmm . . .that was very well said.

 

[Stinker]

I still think it very strange how someone who, on the face of it, claims to be such a Bible literalist named himself "Bright Morning Star", as Biblically, the name "Morning Star" is used to refer to someone who might be considered to have somewhat negative associations (Isaiah 14:3-20)

I think maybe the reference was to the Day Star arising in our hearts. (2Pet.1:19)

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Agreed... male and male are dysfunctional as a reproductive pair. No one is going to argue with you on that one.
However, as complex social creatures, human beings have ceased to rule their lives by reproductive compatibility or ability. Hence the mention of non-reproducing heterosexual couples (either by choice, infertility, or age). Our value to ourselves and society no longer hinges on our ability to reproduce.
So I agree with you... empirically, gay couples and gay sex are useless for reproduction.


[/size][/font]One of the fundamentals of debate and discussion is clarifying definitions or and assumptions. Without questioning the words and meanings, we cannot hope to understand each other's argument.

IF homosexual unions were an attempt to reproduce, THEN you could consider them dysfunctional.

However, since they AREN'T an attempt at reproduction, it is wrong to consider reproduction as to whether they are functional or not.

My experience, homosexual relationships are perfectly functional in all they attempt to acheive. [/banging head against brick wall]

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I think maybe the reference was to the Day Star arising in our hearts. (2Pet.1:19)

You're not suggesting that... that there is a CONTRADICTION in the Bible are you?

 

[OllieFranz]

IF homosexual unions were an attempt to reproduce, THEN you could consider them dysfunctional.

However, since they AREN'T an attempt at reproduction, it is wrong to consider reproduction as to whether they are functional or not.

My experience, homosexual relationships are perfectly functional in all they attempt to acheive. [/banging head against brick wall]

Ermm....

I'm not sure if you meant to respond to the same post Jamie was responding to and hit the wrong "reply with quote" button or if you missed Jamie's quiet subtlety, but I believe he was making the same point you are making.

 

[Brennin]

How does one prove that the sin of Sodom wasn't gang rape rather than homosexuality?
or was it bad hospitality in the form of gang rape?
how exactly was Lot the pillar of righteousness if he was willing to offer up his daughters for gang rape?

Because it makes no sense that the sins of those cities and the other cities in the plain was gang rape of angels. How many angel tourists do you think they received? No, clearly, the sin in question was rampant homosexuality.