As a Christian, how many of you believe in evolution?

[xianghua]

Science doesnt prove things.

so science still didnt proved that the earth is round?

 

[VirOptimus]

so science still didnt proved that the earth isnt flat?

The shape of the earth is a fact, we find facts, we dont prove them.

 

[xianghua]

If there are actual UFOs then design of one kind of another is pretty much the only option.

now im a bit confuse since you said before that: "There isn’t any way to demonstrate or prove design"

so we can prove design or not?

You believe in God - you don’t believe he is capable of an incredibly imaginative and mind boggling-ly complex act of creation?

sure that god can make the world by evolution since he can do anything he want. the question is if there is any real evidence for it or not.

 

[xianghua]

Yes it is. You follow the family line of a banana and the family line of a human back far enough, eventually you'll get to a point where they share ancestors

that is your belief. you cant prove it.

 

[xianghua]

You assume that all motors or motor-like things are the product of design in order to claim that they can't evolve naturally. Then you use this to justify your conclusion that all motors or motor-like things are the product of design.

Circular logic.

so a motor doesnt need design?

 

[VirOptimus]

so a motor doesnt need design?

That is correct.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, some apes speak, some dont.

Some mammals have hands, some dont.

We're tetrapods, aren't we?

 

[Speedwell]

so a motor doesnt need design?

If your definition of "motor" includes objects found in nature which are not human productions then you have not shown that they need design. Just because they resemble human products in function is not evidence of design.

 

[xianghua]

No, some apes speak

where?

 

[VirOptimus]

where?

Humans for starters.

 

[Tom 1]

now im a bit confuse since you said before that: "There isn’t any way to demonstrate or prove design"

so we can prove design or not?

It's a question of the evidence particular to the case - is there evidence that birds have evolved? Yes. Is there evidence that flying craft with aliens inside them evolved? No. If one lands on my lawn and some aliens walk out of it, I would assume unless some other evidence was produced that they designed and built it. If I'd never read about any evidence of evolution then I would probably assume that birds were either designed or just popped into existence somehow, but there is a wealth of evidence to support the idea that they evolved. We can go all round the houses but I'm not sure what your issue with that last part is.

 

[Speedwell]

It's a question of the evidence particular to the case - is there evidence that birds have evolved? Yes. Is there evidence that flying craft with aliens inside them evolved? No. If one lands on my lawn and some aliens walk out of it, I would assume unless some other evidence was produced that they designed and built it. If I'd never read about any evidence of evolution then I would probably assume that birds were either designed or just popped into existence somehow, but there is a wealth of evidence to support the idea that they evolved. We can go all round the houses but I'm not sure what your issue with that last part is.

On the other hand, if all we know about "flying saucers" is seeing them fly overhead (which is the context of Xianghua's thought experiment) we cannot rule out, for instance, that they are living creatures who have evolved the the ability to fly in space.

 

[Tom 1]

On the other hand, if all we know about "flying saucers" is seeing them fly overhead (which is the context of Xianghua's thought experiment) we cannot rule out, for instance, that they are living creatures who have evolved the the ability to fly in space.

Silver Surfer?

 

[Tom 1]

Silver Surfer?

Actually he was designed. Or redesigned rather.

 

[pitabread]

sure that god can make the world by evolution since he can do anything he want. the question is if there is any real evidence for it or not.

That's not a question though, since the whole theory of evolution is based on evidence in the first place. Without scientific evidence, there would be no scientific theory.

 

[Subduction Zone]

and apes cant speak but human can. the same logic.

Please, creationists cannot claim to use "logic". Speech is a minor part of our biological make up. And other apes can "speak" they just can't pass the information of complex thought through speech. You are grasping at straws. There are differences between all of the apes. There are far more similarities than differences.

 

[Kylie]

that is your belief. you cant prove it.

The genetics prove it.

 

[Kylie]

so a motor doesnt need design?

Some motors are designed. Some come about by means of evolution.

 

[Steve Petersen]

That doesn't change the fact that every component of the human body (bones, muscles, nerves, etc.) has its counterpart in the bodies of apes, so anatomically we are apes. Also, apes communicate with each other by sound, although they can't form articulate words. Finally, basenjis can't bark - https://petcube.com/blog/dogs-dont-bark/- but that doesn't mean that they are not dogs.

Additionally, genetically humans have more commonality with chimps than some chimps have with their genetic cousins.

 

[xianghua]

There are differences between all of the apes. There are far more similarities than differences.

again: its also true for a cat and human. and yet human isnt a cat. so why to call it an ape?.