Arson attack on Republican Offices

[durangodawood]

I seem to recall a popular phrase on the left that went something like this: Silence is violence.


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Another variation was: Silence is complicity. The fact that big name Democrat leaders have remained silent for this long is damning.

Do you believe silence is violence?

 

[DaisyDay]

Party officials said this is not an isolated incident, claiming it is part of a "disturbing pattern of politically motivated violence that has plagued our country -- fueled in part by the silence and implicit encouragement from progressive leaders who refuse to condemn these acts."​

I may be cynical, but this looks like a setup for partisan violence on the complainers' part.

The violence continues and grows -

Stand back and stand by? It'll be wild! Accusation in a mirror.

 

[DaisyDay]

This is domestic terrorism.

So is disappearing tattooed people off the streets.

 

[DaisyDay]

These coordinated dance moves were probably rehearsed and choreographed long before DOGE.

Probably not. They are not that organized and that is a lot of effort.

Nothing "grassroots" comes from leftists. Everything is top down. https://x.com/i/status/1906418003526455752

So who at the top ordered this protest?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

There is an inconvenient truth hiding in that comment---and that is the level of hatred and intolerance Republicans have shown to immigrants and whipped to a fever pitch to win an election.
They pay lip service to accepting "legal" immigrants. "We are only against criminals," they say, adding that everyone who entered without documents, even if carried in an infant backpack," is a criminal.
TBT even birthright citizenship is under attack.
Surprise! Hate begets hate.
Never having walked a mile (or hundreds) in their threadbare shoes, I cannot completely understand the desperation behind such an act....
But I understand their reason.

Only inconvenient truth is your failure to condemn the violence.

Everything else you mentioned in this post should be resolved through voting.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Curious. Are you associating mass deportations, sometimes of green card holders; deportations of all refugees with temporary protected status who fled persecution and death; deportations of exchange students for articles they wrote in student newspapers; sending them to Salvadoran prisons that are no better than concentration camps; etc. anywhere near similar to

"blaming a rape victim for the dress she wore?" I know, sometimes the defendant says the victim "invited" him to be bad.

In the case of what the Republican Party has unleashed against immigrants--the illegal, the legal, the refugees--saying they "invited" the arsonists to be bad isn't a strong enough word. Basically, their actions in the past two months have been so horrific that those harmed are showing unbelievable restraint in not fighting back more.

I do not agree with the current Republican Party's immigration policy. I oppose President Trump's deportation policy.

I support W. Bush's comprehensive immigration approach.

Having said that, do you know why we are here today? Why do so many Americans want to deport immigrants, both legal and illegal?

Fifteen Democratic senators and Independent senator Bernie Sanders voted against President Bush's immigration reform, which aimed to secure the border and provide a path to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants. In 2008, despite winning nearly 60 Senate seats and a House majority, President Obama did not address immigration until 2013, after losing control of Congress. President Biden has also not taken any action on immigration in his first three years.

As I have stated, I oppose President Trump's immigration policy and mass deportation. His policy lacks humanity. It is disheartening that so many individuals who identify as Christian support such policies. However, it is important to note that the current situation may have been different if the Democrats had established a comprehensive immigration policy.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I couldn't find a question. You wanted me to explain why legal immigrants supported ICE and deportations.
You are speaking from your own experience. The immigrants I know are warm hearted Hispanic Catholics. They believe a warm hearted compassionate Pope Francis. They remember where they came from.
I am sure there are immigrants like the ones you describe, but not having met any personally I can't agree with your premise.

Majority of Hispanics Now Favor Mass Deportation​

A recent poll found that a majority of Hispanic people favor the mass deportation of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. illegally.​

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The CBS News/YouGov poll found that a majority of registered voters overall (62 percent) would favor the government starting "a new national program to deport all undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. illegally." Thirty-eight percent said they would oppose it.​

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It is one of the issues that brought minority voters to the Trump party - the greatest increase in 40 years.

The radical left is so angry and so hateful that they lost the election, they are resorting to violence and acts of terrorism.

It will not win them an election.

 

[Say it aint so]

Majority of Hispanics Now Favor Mass Deportation​

A recent poll found that a majority of Hispanic people favor the mass deportation of undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. illegally.​

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The CBS News/YouGov poll found that a majority of registered voters overall (62 percent) would favor the government starting "a new national program to deport all undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. illegally." Thirty-eight percent said they would oppose it.​

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It is one of the issues that brought minority voters to the Trump party - the greatest increase in 40 years.

The radical left is so angry and so hateful that they lost the election, they are resorting to violence and acts of terrorism.

It will not win them an election.

"Hispanics" does not equal "legal immigrants"

Kind of hard to weed out the sentiments of "legal immigrants" by referencing the category of "Hispanics".

This is the most recent poll from Pew Research, March 26th.

As can be seen when it comes to immigrants the sentiment of straight deportation is 16%. In fact the "none should be deported" at 20% is higher than the "all deported." The highest percentage at 61 is "some should be deported" and that distinguishing is whether or not they committed crimes. It is not correct to claim the majority of legal immigrants favor strict deportation.

I would imagine if the question to legal immigrants was framed as, if people are here illegally and have committed no crimes should they deported. That number would not be the majority.

 

[BPPLEE]

"Hispanics" does not equal "legal immigrants"

Kind of hard to weed out the sentiments of "legal immigrants" by referencing the category of "Hispanics".

This is the most recent poll from Pew Research, March 26th.

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As can be seen when it comes to immigrants the sentiment of straight deportation is 16%. In fact the "none should be deported" at 20% is higher than the "all deported." The highest percentage at 61 is "some should be deported" and that distinguishing is whether or not they committed crimes. It is not correct to claim the majority of legal immigrants favor strict deportation.

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I would imagine if the question to legal immigrants was framed as, if people are here illegally and have committed no crimes should they deported. That number would not be the majority.

If people are here ILLEGALLY and have committed no crimes
You might want to reword that

 

[Say it aint so]

If people are here ILLEGALLY and have committed no crimes
You might want to reword that

That is the framing of the poll questions.

 

[Bradskii]

If dogs were being shot in multiple instances across the country for political reasons you would have a point

I was talking about mistreating dogs. From here: The animal blood sport that still remains 'rampant' across the US

'Despite dog fighting being a felony crime in all 50 states, the Humane Society estimates more than 40,000 people in the U.S. participate in the illegal practice.'

And we're talking about someone who doesn't complain about something being somehow complicit in it. Or at least accepting it. It really shouldn't have needed me to point out how farcical that view is. But that's what a few people are risibly doing.

 

[Bradskii]

I may be cynical, but this looks like a setup for partisan violence on the complainers' part.

It'll be the schoolyard argument again. 'Well, your side was doing it, so you can't complain...etc'

 

[Postvieww]

You can retract that immediately. I will not be accused of defending political violence in any way, shape or form. I have not done that and I will not do that. Again, I want you to retract that outrageous comment.

While you do condemn violence you have repeatedly supported the party engaged by either participation, failure to condemn, or outright encouragement of said violence.

 

[Bradskii]

While you do condemn violence you have repeatedly supported the party engaged by either participation, failure to condemn, or outright encouragement of said violence.

Gee, that's so difficult to parse I don't know whether to agree with you or not. The fact that I think there should be a 'not' in the first clause is a problem straight off the bat. Can you please edit it so that I have a better chance to understand it?

 

[Laodicean60]

I do not agree with the current Republican Party's immigration policy. I oppose President Trump's deportation policy.

I support W. Bush's comprehensive immigration approach.

Having said that, do you know why we are here today? Why do so many Americans want to deport immigrants, both legal and illegal?

Fifteen Democratic senators and Independent senator Bernie Sanders voted against President Bush's immigration reform, which aimed to secure the border and provide a path to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants. In 2008, despite winning nearly 60 Senate seats and a House majority, President Obama did not address immigration until 2013, after losing control of Congress. President Biden has also not taken any action on immigration in his first three years.

As I have stated, I oppose President Trump's immigration policy and mass deportation. His policy lacks humanity. It is disheartening that so many individuals who identify as Christian support such policies. However, it is important to note that the current situation may have been different if the Democrats had established a comprehensive immigration policy.

But Republicans are the blame, and it's BOTH parties that prevent anything meaningful from being done. It's a good issue to keep us divided and used for votes. If politicians fixed the problem, they'd have to find something else to run on. Our politics is extreme because American people are extreme. One lets them all in, and the other wants to kick them all out.

 

[Say it aint so]

While you do condemn violence you have repeatedly supported the party engaged by either participation, failure to condemn, or outright encouragement of said violence

Whoa, that is one heck of a claim. And a rather reckless one.

 

[Fantine]

They are acting/operating like al-Qaeda..

For real.

Has been for years now. Start paying attention because it's becoming far more violent.

They are mixing Islam with Marxism, and there's no "head" with al-Qaeda either.

So now you have to find the religious system that tells people it's okay to commit violence against people for a political result - and figure out who their prophets are.

When you do that you will see it.

Because there's a system telling large men it's okay to run elderly women off the road to punch them in the face, that tells people in moving vehicles they can and should run over pedestrians, and that tells people firebombing buildings and cars is an acceptable practice plus it's highly religious in nature with more than their fair share of prophets and religious leaders.

It sounds as if you are describing the peoplecwho bomb abortion clinics.
There is no "sinister plot" in either of these cases.
Lots of people get angry--for very justifiable reasons.
A few of them go off the deep end.
Progressives disown Tesla arsonists, just as pro lifers disown abortion clinic bombers.
They understand the anger but wish it had been channeled through more productive outlets.
For example: Every time Trump and Musk do something that hurts everyday Americans or the innocents in Ukraine and Gaza, put $1 in a swear box. Take the money and give

The radical left is so angry and so hateful that they lost the election, they are resorting to violence and acts of terrorism.

Oh, that's a new one. The people with compassion are angry and hateful?
perhaps they are afflicting the complacency of the comfortable.

 

[Postvieww]

Gee, that's so difficult to parse I don't know whether to agree with you or not. The fact that I think there should be a 'not' in the first clause is a problem straight off the bat. Can you please edit it so that I have a better chance to understand it?

Shouldn’t be that hard . You have personally spoke against violence while the party you mostly defend does not.

The video is of just one liberal congresswoman. I challenge you to show examples of conservatives burning things, destroying property, attacking people for the car they drive, berating and attempting to assault individuals forwearing a MAGA hat. Many liberals in this country are unhinged lunatics and very few thinking liberals are stepping up to stop them .

 

[Postvieww]

Whoa, that is one heck of a claim. And a rather reckless one.

Really now! Please point out the inaccuracies.

 

[Bradskii]

Shouldn’t be that hard . You have personally spoke against violence while the party you mostly defend does not.

From here: The loudest silence: Top Democrats remain mum amid violent attacks on Tesla

Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., however, was clear in calling for an end to the violence when asked about the string of Tesla attacks.

"I'm opposed to violence. I don't believe in violence. People can voice their opposition, but we can't live in a violent nation," DeLauro told Fox News Digital. "People can be opposed to something, and people boycott stuff all the time… but the violence needs to stop. We can't really make that a part of what our national discourse is."

Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., has also been firm in his condemnation of Tesla attacks and urged his Democratic colleagues to follow suit.
"There is zero tolerance for acts of vandalism against Tesla. Spraying the words "nazi cars" or lighting fire to dealerships and chargers is wrong. Period. All Democrats should condemn it," he said in an X post earlier this month.

When asked by Fox News Digital last week if the Tesla attacks are domestic terrorism, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., acknowledged that everyone has a right to protest but no one has the right to violence.'

I agree with those comments. As do all. If you think that a lack of comment equates to an acceptance of said violence then you're living in a different world than I am. That said, do I think that politics in the US has reached a point where those from either side are depressingly slow in condemning actions by their 'supporters' (with exceptions such as those above)? Yes I most definitely do. So I wouldn't get on a high horse and start waving a virtuous flag about, calling for support for 'your side' and berating the opposition. You're not in a position to do so. Your whole political system is in the toilet right now. The rest of the world looks on in horror at what you have become.

If you think you can score a couple of cheap political points because some morons are torching Teslas and you think that's the main point here, then you really haven't got your eye on the ball.