Enlistment does tend to follow unemployment numbers. I doubt there are enough vaccine deniers in the general population to make much of a dent compared to that.
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Enlistment does tend to follow unemployment numbers. I doubt there are enough vaccine deniers in the general population to make much of a dent compared to that.True enough. That's probably the reason enlistment numbers are at historic lows.
Nothing is 100% effective, but covid vaccines do reduce the spread of the disease :
Vaccine effectiveness against transmission of alpha, delta and omicron SARS-COV-2-infection, Belgian contact tracing, 2021–2022 - PMC
Vaccine effectiveness against transmission (VET) of SARS-CoV-2-infection can be estimated from secondary attack rates observed during contact tracing. We estimated VET, the vaccine-effect on infectiousness of the index case and susceptibility of the ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov Infectiousness of SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections and reinfections during the Omicron wave - Nature Medicine
Analysis of data from California prisons shows that both COVID-19 vaccination and prior SARS-CoV-2 infection reduces the risk of virus transmission to close contacts.www.nature.com Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccination on Transmission: A Systematic Review
Vaccination against infectious disease affords direct protection from vaccine-induced immunity and additional indirect protection for unvaccinated persons. A systematic review was conducted to estimate the indirect effect of COVID-19 vaccination. From PubMed and Embase, 31 studies were included...www.mdpi.com
And so on, and so forth.
You have numbers of deaths, but not number of people in law enforcement. From the same site:U.S. law enforcement deaths 1786-2023, by cause | Statista
Since the 1780s, over 25,000 United States law enforcement officers have died while on active duty, or due to injuries and illnesses obtained while on duty.www.statista.com
The red line starting at 2020 represents covid deaths. I don't think you understand how bad it was.
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Hopefully you're one of the ~17% of true believers left in the US that got the 2023 vaccine to reduce the spread.
Enlistment does tend to follow unemployment numbers. I doubt there are enough vaccine deniers in the general population to make much of a dent compared to that.
Yeah, maybe it has changed, but the military made it very clear to hubby and the other soldiers that they were not allowed to get tattoos as that is "defacing government property." They were considered property, with no constitutional rights, to be done with as the military saw fit.This. If you have ever been in the military you know this is true, including often getting "experimental" versions of vaccines so they can test them. I think they are now better at informing the military members of what vaccines they are getting (though not if they are experimental), it has never been an option to refuse a vaccine.
Lies, damn lies and statistics? Yes, the vast majority of law enforcement officers didn't die of covid - or anything else in 2020-2022, for that matter. However, of the ones who did, more died of covid than gun shot.You have numbers of deaths, but not number of people in law enforcement. From the same site:
U.S. law enforcement officers 2023| Statista
How many police officers are there in the U.S.? In 2023, there were 720,652 full-time law enforcement officers employed in the United States, an increase from 708,001 the previous year.www.statista.com
Per your chart, there were nearly 500 COVID-19 deaths among law enforcement in 2021. Per the link above, there were 660,288 law enforcement officers in the US in 2021. (500 / 660,288) x 100 = 0.0757%.
Hmm a post starting with a lame attempt to divert away from the obvious errors corrected by the post it was quoting and onto the posters themselves.
They were considered property, with no constitutional rights, to be done with as the military saw fit.
Yet that in itself only indicates that the deaths from gunshots are less than we might assume. Hovering the cursor over the line and the year gives exact numbers. 63 deaths from gunshot; 493 for COVID-19. (63 / 660288) * 100 = 0.00954%; (493 / 660288) * 100 = 0.07466%. Both are low. Simply citing the number of deaths tells us nothing about the death rate, which is more significant.Lies, damn lies and statistics? Yes, the vast majority of law enforcement officers didn't die of covid - or anything else in 2020-2022, for that matter. However, of the ones who did, more died of covid than gun shot.
As I recall, it took a while for the vaccines to get rolled out after they were first released. My first shot wasn’t until late April 2021.I don't have a Statista account so I can't see the source data, but those COVID-19 data points seems entirely out of whack. The chart shows 284 COVID deaths in 2020, 493 COVID deaths in 2021 (when there was a vaccine and mandates), and just 2 COVID-19 deaths in 2023. Those are some wild swings that merit further scrutiny.
Can anyone post the original source of this data?
The number of officers who die in the line of duty (from all causes) is usually around 150-200/yr. COVID was more than double that.You have numbers of deaths, but not number of people in law enforcement. From the same site:
U.S. law enforcement officers 2023| Statista
How many police officers are there in the U.S.? In 2023, there were 720,652 full-time law enforcement officers employed in the United States, an increase from 708,001 the previous year.www.statista.com
Per your chart, there were nearly 500 COVID-19 deaths among law enforcement in 2021. Per the link above, there were 660,288 law enforcement officers in the US in 2021. (500 / 660,288) x 100 = 0.0757%.
I got it.Not really.
If you believe what you're saying about the vaccines reducing transmission, you should be one of the first in line to get that updated 2023 vaccine.
Are you one of the ~17% of US adults that got it?
As I recall, it took a while for the vaccines to get rolled out after they were first released. My first shot wasn’t until late April 2021.
I got it.
Yet that in itself only indicates that the deaths from gunshots are less than we might assume. Hovering the cursor over the line and the year gives exact numbers. 63 deaths from gunshot; 493 for COVID-19. (63 / 660288) * 100 = 0.00954%; (493 / 660288) * 100 = 0.07466%. Both are low. Simply citing the number of deaths tells us nothing about the death rate, which is more significant.
And almost anyone with military experience can tell you cannot have many/most of your constitutional rights and be an effective soldier in an effective military. You need to accept you will be ordered around, with no recourse but to obey (or be court marshaled) without thought of the rationale to the order, yourself, or if the order is "right or wrong". You must do as you are told, when you are told regardless of what you "think" about the order or how that order affects your well-being, anyone else's wellbeing (just barely short of war crimes of course) or the rights you had before you joined the military.That's sad. I have no idea why anyone would put their lives on the line for a country that won't even protect their own constitutional rights.
Yes, but there weren't ANY vaccines in 2020, and deaths were nearly half what they were in 2021.
That's because it didn't even get started in the US until late March / early April 2020
and while the mortality rate was pretty high throughout 2020, daily case counts were fairly low (relative to the rest of the outbreak) until about October 2020, when it started taking off, with the 2nd-highest average peak coming in Jan 2021. IOW, a lot more people got sick in 2021, because the virus had spread a lot by then.
And almost anyone with military experience can tell you cannot have many/most of your constitutional rights and be an effective soldier in an effective military. You need to accept you will be ordered around, with no recourse but to obey (or be court marshaled) without thought of the rationale to the order, yourself, or if the order is "right or wrong". You must do as you are told, when you are told regardless of what you "think" about the order or how that order affects your well-being, anyone else's wellbeing (just barely short of war crimes of course) or the rights you had before you joined the military.
I joined the US Army in 1993 for active duty and left active duty service in 2008. Then, in 2011, I joined the Army National Guard. I am still in the National Guard.And almost anyone with military experience can tell you cannot have many/most of your constitutional rights and be an effective soldier in an effective military. You need to accept you will be ordered around, with no recourse but to obey (or be court marshaled) without thought of the rationale to the order, yourself, or if the order is "right or wrong". You must do as you are told, when you are told regardless of what you "think" about the order or how that order affects your well-being, anyone else's wellbeing (just barely short of war crimes of course) or the rights you had before you joined the military.
Actually, there's evidence that COVID began circulating in China as early as October 2019 and that it likely was spreading worldwide by January 2020. We just didn't have a constant death counter in the bottom corner of 24-hour news channels until March 2020.
Covid-19 May Have Started Spreading As Early As October 2019 In China, U.K.-Led Study Suggests
The start date of the coronavirus outbreak has been a subject of intrigue for scientists and many have suggested it may have been spreading long before the first case was detected in December 2019.www.forbes.com
Yes, but there were vaccines available on December 14, 2020. The rollout was swift. By April 2021, the US vas vaccinating >3.5 million people every day.
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If vaccines slowed infections, then why after mass vaccination did the outbreaks get worse? And why were highly vaccinated populations still seeing large outbreaks?
Nobody was coerced to take a brand new drug with zero long term data.In reality, every single word I stated is true. Coercion to take a brand new drug with zero long term data was a new low point.
This is false. Many were infected more than once, and many had Long Covid.Not to mention that everyone who already had it was immune
This is false. Many who were in good health died or had serious complications.The only people ever at any serious risk were the elderly and those with multiple co-morbidities
Hard to distance when Donald Trump is cutting off unemployment and trying to force everyone back to work.and those people should have distanced, while everyone else went about his life.
Some were.We knew it, of course, as everyone we knew who had the virus was immune. They weren't getting sick repeatedly.
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