Unless shown otherwise from the Scripture, I believe so. Knowing Jesus Christ is God's grace. What can compare to it?
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Unless shown otherwise from the Scripture, I believe so. Knowing Jesus Christ is God's grace. What can compare to it?They won't....Are you saying that all those who never heard of Jesus go to hell, even if they cooperated with God's grace as they understood it?
If men cannot exercise faith without being regenerated by God first, then there is nothing to be pleased about. Tell me what exactly could God be pleased about? Pleased that what was going to happen, happened? Unless something was overcome, then there can be no celebration....Actually, it confirms that God does speak to men which can result in conversion, and this occurred in the OT to non-Israelites.
They won't.
Are you saying that all those who never heard of Jesus go to hell, even if they cooperated with God's grace as they understood it?
11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’
12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned;
but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jan, I say this out of all love, but do you realize how you're veering off somewhere totally else? If you honestly want answers to these questions, PM me.
Pure antichrist there to suggest there is any other way to God except by Christ.
Yes all those who never hear the gospel will go to hell.
Granted, there are specific situations where God shows His mercy on gentiles, but what you posit is that there are stories of God's grace to the gentiles that are not recorded in the Scripture and that these gentiles are saved somehow. However, based on Scripture, how can we come to this conclusion? We have no indication of this.
You're not applying Scripture appropriately here.Based on what scripture should we discount the possibility that God spoke to non-Israelites and that such occasions are were not recorded in scripture?
John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
My post relates directly to the OP.
Obviously, Noah was a non-Israelite and God spoke to him. We cannot know how many other non-Israelites God spoke to.
Essentially, you are saying that a Gentile who died a few seconds the wrong side of this 'watershed' (having the chance to hear the gospel preached) would be eternally damned.
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
16 Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son—Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad; and Irad begot Mehujael, and Mehujael begot Methushael, and Methushael begot Lamech.
19 Then Lamech took for himself two wives: the name of one was Adah, and the name of the second was Zillah. 20 And Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock. 21 His brother’s name was Jubal. He was the father of all those who play the harp and flute. 22 And as for Zillah, she also bore Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron. And the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah.
23 Then Lamech said to his wives:
“Adah and Zillah, hear my voice;
Wives of Lamech, listen to my speech!
For I have killed a man for wounding me,
Even a young man for hurting me.
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold,
Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold.”
A New Son
25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, “For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed.” 26 And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the Lord.
PARADISE
While Paradise is not now a part of Sheol/Hades it will be mentioned here because it was located in Sheol/Hades at one time. Before the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ everybody who died went to Sheol/Hades, which was at that time divided into at least two compartments. One was a place of torment while the other was a place of blessing, which was referred to as Abraham’s Bosom (Lk. 16:22-25). As we mentioned before, Tartarus may be a specific place in Sheol/Hades.
We know that Jesus Christ went “into the lower parts of the earth” (Eph. 4:9), that is to Sheol/Hades, “in the heart of the earth,” for three days and nights while his body was in the grave (Mat. 12:40). The Lord Jesus told the repentant thief that he would join Him in Paradise that same day (Lk. 23:42,43). This tells us that Paradise was located in Sheol/Hades at that time. We believe that this was the same place referred to as Abraham’s Bosom in Luke 16. However, after Jesus Christ rose from the dead He ascended to the Father, taking the saints who were in Abraham’s Bosom to heaven with Him. Thus, He took “captivity captive” (see Eph. 4:8-10).
I feel that is what I am doing.Let's try hard to maintain a positive dialogue.
Paul writes to people that can understand, both Jews and Gentiles and specifically in Romans it is written to Jew and Gentile Christians (you have to be a mature adult to make the commitment to be a Christian).You are adding the word "mature," but that aside being that everyone on Earth fro all time was either a Jew or a gentile, then you would agree that Romans 10:12-14 does apply to all Jews and Gentiles?
There are definitely mental challenged individuals that never mature. I think people mature at different ages partly due to their environment. God would determine the maturity of people not me.Again, I think you are adding to the Scripture, but children aside, are full grown men that never heard about Christ not "mature" to you?
Those that through no fault of their own have not had the opportunity to accept Gods help in the form of forgiveness.Who is in a "safe" condition that Adam and Ever supposedly were?
Scripture tells us God is our Father, He is merciful, Loving, gracious, fair and just beyond measure, so any interpretation of scripture has to take into consideration: who God is.To be honest, such a position is in my mind clearly heresy and contradicts the preponderance of Scripture, but let me put my opinions aside and ask you this: What benefit is there to knowing about Christ? It seems to me by preaching His name we make people now liable for their sins by your theology, so instead of bringing a blessing we bring a curse.
What benefit is there to your preaching to other people that are the elect, since they are heaven bound anyway?Seriously reconsider your thoughts about this, as it would totally undo the Great Commission and the whole Christian religion.
God has unlimited amounts of Godly type Love, so to limit Gods mercy to a few is unimaginable and not the God we know.If everyone on Earth who has ever lived, apart from Christ, has sinned against God and deserves damnation, isn't it a great act of unimaginable love if anyone is given mercy at all?
So you never had to humble yourself to accept Gods charity?God's love is so great, it is great enough to help those not willing to accept His help. That once was me.
Ro. 10: 9 because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For man believes with his heart and so is justified, and he confesses with his lips and so is saved. 11 The scripture says, No one who believes in him will be put to shame. 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and bestows his riches upon all who call upon him. 13 For, every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. 14 But how are men to call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher?Please tell me what Romans 10:12-14 actually means and if you take something other than the explain explanation, show from the context of the chapter or other Scripture how it means something different, please.
Some like Adam and Eve before they sinned are in a safe condition not needing to be saved.What is he saved from if he is saved from if he does not know Christ?
You humbly want to accept the Creators forgiveness.How do we get forgiveness?
Nineveh did, so why could others not?Because Gentiles who did not know the name of God could not call upon His name and be saved.
There is no problem with God loving His chosen people, but do you have a problem with God Loving other people also?God tells the Israelites that they are His special people. he chose them out of all the people's of the Earth. DO you think it is unfair that God would love His chosen people more?
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