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What would you say regarding Romans 9:30-32 and Romans 4:2-5?
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It is a metaphor.
It teaches about Jesus.
Need more?
John 15:10
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.
Jesus won't save you without your response to his call.
God's grace has appeared to all men. What we do about it determines our eternal destiny.
Please provide any verse that actually says that. Check out Rom 4:4,5 and Eph 2:8,9.
ps: 2:14 isn't the 'context' of the chapter. The question is in regards to being saved from "what", exactly. Is it the lake of fire? Why would anything think that in this book?
In fact, James gives us a very clear understanding of what he meant in the very next 2 verses:
15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, Go in peace, be warmed and be filled, and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
What's his point here? What do we call those who act like this? Hypocrites is what. Jesus used that word on the Pharisees many times. James is warning believers that they need to demonstrate their faith or they'll be charged with hypocrisy.
James even makes the point more clear in v.18 -
18But someone may well say, You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
iow, if one doesn't show their faith by works, others will not see it. This complements v.15-16 very well. If believers aren't meeting the needs of others, they aren't demonstrating their faith. So when they say they are Christians, but aren't demonstrating it, they are being hypocrites.
Given how often Jesus chided the legalistic Pharisees for being hypocrites, I have no doubt that left quite an impression on His half brother James, who grew up with Jesus.
But I'm aware of the RCC view that Mary was a perpetual virgin. But that doesn't affect the truth of Scripture. Jesus had brothers and sisters because the Bible says so.
Actually, it's becoming hard to take your posts seriously, if you aren't following this.
Yes. What does this have to do with having eternal life, vs having eternal life MORE ABUNDANTLY? Please answer.
Silly question. For a faith to be "dead" requires prior life. How can something be called "dead" that hasn't ever been "alive"?
When one believes in Christ for eternal life, that life is given to the believer THEN. They are saved THEN.
When one's faith isn't producing evidence (works), it is called "dead" by James. iow, it isn't functioning.
Does that mean the person is no longer saved? If that were true, then our salvation really depends upon our own efforrts.
My faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ, who paid my entire sin debt and forgave me when I believed in Him.
Those who believe in loss of salvation are showing NO faith in Christ. That's for sure. All your faith is in your own efforts. Good luck with that.
Does that mean the person is no longer saved? If that were true, then our salvation really depends upon our own efforrts.
My faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ, who paid my entire sin debt and forgave me when I believed in Him.
Those who believe in loss of salvation are showing NO faith in Christ. That's for sure. All your faith is in your own efforts. Good luck with that.
Wrong.
The Greek word for "soul" was used for a living being, and the "death" here refers to physical death. Not eternal death.
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2 Peter 2:20-21 "They were made free from the evil in the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But if they return to evil things and those things control them, then it is worse for them than it was before. Yes, it would be better for them to have never known the right way than to know it and to turn away from the holy teaching that was given to them."
Why would anyone assume this refers to loss of salvation?
Apparently you are unfamiliar with the concept of "abiding" with Christ. It's a matter of fellowship, but since your view leaves no room for reward, why should I expect you to grasp the meaning of abiding as a fellowship term.
This conversation is hijacking hammster's thread and he doesn't like it. Haven't you read his posts?That makes no sense. Are you saying that if someone turns a brother from a sinful path that they won't die here on earth?
Your reading of scripture is so tied to your dogma that you can't be logical.
Well, it appears that for Arminian to attempt to make a case that hell is just, they need to conclude that Christ kinda died for all, potentially atoned for sin, and sorta appeased God's wrath. In no way can they say that Christ actually took the punishment for their sin. Free will (not God's, of course) still reigns supreme.
While you are bashing on Arminians, why don't you tell us what was the punishment for sin that Christ took.
You dodged this question before, like you were embarrassed to answer. So, I asked again, what was the punishment Christ took?
Arminians insist that Jesus took the punishment for all sins. Yet, they admit that there are people in hell because of their sins. This makes God disingenuous because He punishes people for sins that His Son already paid for.
smh
Please, don't goad. If you aren't Arminian, either this thread doesn't apply to you, or you will also challenge their view. They know what it is.
That argument only works if you deny the 1John 2:2 fact that at the cross we have the "Atoning Sacrifice" for "our sins and not for our sins only but for the sins of the whole world"
-- and also forget to notice that in Lev 16 (on the subject of "Atonement") you need BOTH the work of Christ as "Atoning sacrifice" the "Sin offering" but also the Heb 8:1-5 work of Christ as "High Priest" in heaven - to complete the entire Bible "scope" of atonement.
As Heb 4 and 8 point out we enter into benefit from that work of Christ as we each one choose to follow Him.
Rev 3 makes the point "I STAND at the door and knock.. if ANYONE hears my voice and opens the door I WILL come in".
in Christ,
Bob
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