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Hey, I have no problem with you seeing me as a raptor (not saying you do, but why else would you share that with me). I'm testing your theology to see if holds up. If you have any weak areas then you should know about them, don't you think?One more thing Some people remind me of Raptors, ever see Jurassic Park, they kept hitting the fence looking for any weak areas so they could break through. Wonder what made me think of that lol night now.
Are you talking to me, Hoghead1? Bluelion is Arminian as far as I know. If you were addressing me then I've already told you I could care less what Calvin thinks.I have no idea where you are coming from, Bluelion. The Bible depicts a continual struggle between God and creation. Many things do not go the way God wanted them, as per Gen. 6:6. In his sermon on Jeremiah 6:10, Calvin stated, "Our Lord did everything possible to correct his people, as a father would his child. Seeing that he could not succeed in converting men to righteousness, he laments, saying,'Alas, am I not unhappy? For I have done everything possible to make men righteous, yet I have not succeeded.'"
I think this forum is a lot like Jurassic Park lol. That is what I am saying.Hey, I have no problem with you seeing me as a raptor (not saying you do, but why else would you share that with me). I'm testing your theology to see if holds up. If you have any weak areas then you should know about them, don't you think?
Are you talking to me, Hoghead1? Bluelion is Arminian as far as I know. If you were addressing me then I've already told you I could care less what Calvin thinks.
I really need to read some of Calvin's books.I have no idea where you are coming from, Bluelion. The Bible depicts a continual struggle between God and creation. Many things do not go the way God wanted them, as per Gen. 6:6. In his sermon on Jeremiah 6:10, Calvin stated, "Our Lord did everything possible to correct his people, as a father would his child. Seeing that he could not succeed in converting men to righteousness, he laments, saying,'Alas, am I not unhappy? For I have done everything possible to make men righteous, yet I have not succeeded.'"
I get one of the jeep's with the hardtopI think this forum is a lot like Jurassic Park lol. That is what I am saying.
I get one of the jeep's with the hardtop
You can be a child of God and an Arminian, just as I am a child of God and a Calvinist. They are only theological frameworks.Actually I am not Arm I am a child of God, funny another site I was on accused me of being a Calvinist, label it and stick it in a pin lol.
You can be a child of God and an Arminian, just as I am a child of God and a Calvinist. They are only theological frameworks.
If that is how you feel then suite yourself, just don't be offended if you teach Arminian doctrine and get labeled an Arminian. It doesn't mean you aren't a Christian, it is just a narrower category of Christian belief. Don't you feel it is necessary to note the differences between Protestantism and Catholicism? It is the same when speaking about the doctrines these systems address. Your beliefs fall into a category whether you like it not.Sorry but God never said you shall be arminian or calvinist, He calls me His son. The rest is just dividing the church. I am not into that. Labels i like are brother sister mother, you can keep the rest.
I believe as God said be of one mind. Personally I think we should all sit down and hash it out once for all with fasting and prayer they way they did when the church first started.If that is how you feel then suite yourself, just don't be offended if you teach Arminian doctrine and get labeled an Arminian. It doesn't mean you aren't a Christian, it is just a narrower category of Christian belief. Don't you feel it is necessary to note the differences between Protestantism and Catholicism? It is the same when speaking about the doctrines these systems address. Your beliefs fall into a category whether you like it not.
I think he must have some kind of free-will to choose to be a Calvinist? No?Sorry but God never said you shall be arminian or calvinist, He calls me His son. The rest is just dividing the church. I am not into that. Labels i like are brother sister mother, you can keep the rest.
No one is arguing against this.Right, because the truth should be in motion, always changing with the tides of human desire. Abandoning scripture is not smart, friend.
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
No one is throwing anything out.If you throw out the words that God has spoken to us then by what authority do you say what you do?
No one is abandoning Scripture either.Jesus taught only what He heard from the father, and likewise we Christians should only believe what has been given to us in the God-breathed scriptures.
If you abandon the scriptures then there is really no reason to debate, because you believe whatever the world tells you.
Actually it is the other way around. If you go back and look at the history of the threads you will see that mostly Calvinists are attacked and then defend themselves.You are wise Bluelion.
Do you notice though, mostly Calvinist start these threads? I think they like to talk about how elect they are. Warm & fuzzies and pats on the back.
If you get through Calvin's Institutes, well done.I really need to read some of Calvin's books.
Skala,
Here you go again with your generalisations for both Arminians and Calvinists. It proves nothing when you make these kinds of statements:
1. 'Arminianism is inconsistent. It flip-flops it's position on certain things at a moment's notice'. You gave not one example. Zero! We have no specifics to discuss.
2. 'Calvinism on the other hand has no inconsistency'. Again, you provide no specific Calvinist's theology that we can debate.
Your generalisations are coming out of your pro-Calvinist and anti-Arminian mind. It is impossible to discuss these two theological positions with you when you create these kinds of straw men. They may or may not be correct.
At least have the temerity to give an example of a theologian who teaches such so that we have some specifics to debate.
You use a question begging fallacy. When you start with Arminianism is wrong and Calvinism is correct, it's only natural you'll conclude that Arminianism is wrong and Calvinism is right. But it's a logical fallacy you use.
Until you come forth with some specifics to discuss, you are wasting your time denigrating Arminians and elevating Calvinists.
Oz
Oz acts as though there is only the teachings of Jacob Arminius and John Calvin. That is tunnel vision to say the least. There are many things in which I strongly disagree with John Calvin. My whole theology is, as understood in the light given me by the Spirit, Scriptural.OZ elucidates who is attacking and denigrating whom.
Are you really likening Calvinists to Communists? Are you going to compare Arminians to Capitalists now? Give me a break.Repetition is a powerful tool in the influencing of others. Communists knew that then. Calvinists know that now.
Repetitious exposure is one of the tools that Calvinists use very effectively to mould the thoughts of others./QUOTE]
lol it would appear soI think he must have some kind of free-will to choose to be a Calvinist? No?
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