Arizona tribes show outpouring of support in pipeline battle

[Shiloh Raven]

Treaty 6 Flag that was given to the water protectors from Idle No More.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

The Sunka Wakan (Sacred Horse). Horses were also shot with rubber bullets during the raid by the riot police and the National Guard on Thursday, October 27, 2016 in Standing Rock. One horse had to be put down because of its injuries.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Sunka Wakan (Sacred Horse). Horses were also shot with rubber bullets. One horse had to be put down due of its injuries.

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Please please please post some source for this.

I don't doubt you, but I want that here so that naysayers are at least forced to come up with some raggedly sourced rebuttal, if possible.

So first the bison... what was context of the animal injury (why were they around, and shot at at all?)


I am not a native American to the best of my knowledge (some of you know what I mean,) but I think this incident is an entirely different scale of situation.

IF the animals are connected to the people, and IF they can sense and even act on negative pressures similarly to the people protesting, then this entire campaign needs to be redone from the "authority" POV.

Because, if these animals are in any way consciously choosing alignments with actual intelligence, this is something monumentally, and fundamentally different than your typical protest.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Please please please post some source for this.

Police from 5 States Escalate Violence, Shoot Horses to Clear 1851 Treaty Camp

I don't doubt you, but I want that here so that naysayers are at least forced to come up with some raggedly sourced rebuttal, if possible.

I understand.

So first the bison... what was context of the animal injury (why were they around, and shot at at all?)

There are many horse riders in the resistance camps.

I am not a native American to the best of my knowledge (some of you know what I mean,) but I think this incident is an entirely different scale of situation.

IF the animals are connected to the people, and IF they can sense and even act on negative pressures similarly to the people protesting, then this entire campaign needs to be redone from the "authority" POV.

Because, if these animals are in any way consciously choosing alignments with actual intelligence, this is something monumentally, and fundamentally different than your typical protest.

Animals have special significance in native culture, such as the Buffalo, the horse, the wolf, and the bear (among others).

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Excerpted from the article: I Am A White Person Who Went To Standing Rock. This Is What I Learned.

I’m home now in Chicago, but I was at Standing Rock just a few days ago. I know how it feels to sleep outside in two sleeping bags and a winter coat in below-freezing weather, and wake up to the sounds of people coughing from tents surrounding you. I remember feeling the ground shake as horses stampeded past on the way to the front lines. I can hear the elders on the microphone—the voice of the camp at the sacred fire—urging non-violence, keeping everything grounded in prayer and ceremony.

The camps at Standing Rock are the final hold out against the Dakota Access Pipeline, being constructed by Dakota Access and Energy Transfer Partners. These fields in central North Dakota are where the pipeline would cross the longest river in the United States—the Missouri River—putting drinking water at risk for millions of people and desecrating sacred indigenous land.

After a week at Standing Rock, I can’t focus on anything but the news, Facebook live feeds, and photos pouring across social media. I feel helpless for the situation and the people on the front lines. Yesterday, hundreds of militarized police bore down on the unarmed, self-proclaimed “water protectors” who were singing, praying, and walking along the pipeline construction site.

One woman shared publicly on Facebook: “I seen an 18-year-old young man get shot while on a horse today—then his horse. I was standing 20 feet away. I seen young warriors on horse being chased on ATVs, being shot at. I seen our former chairman get arrested. I seen an unci (grandma) get maced right in the face. I seen the cops drag two men from the sweat lodge feet from me…in their underwear and slammed face down into the ground and arrested. All these crimes were committed against our people on land guaranteed to our people under the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1851.”

 

[tatteredsoul]

Where are the usual suspects to say the natives clearly did something to deserve this?

And, if they can't do that, then why aren't more people bringing light to this!

(It is rhetorical, but still important.)

Even if I am not native, on a human level this worries the heck out of me because as a minority, if they are treating others like this (and no one is coming to expose the wrong doing), then "I am next." It is no secret this type of behavior against peaceful protestor happens, but the blackout and severity of force is alarming.

I did see VICE on HBO mention this, finally.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Where are the usual suspects to say the natives clearly did something to deserve this?

I think it has to do with the fact that this thread is not in the main debate forums.

And, if they can't do that, then why aren't more people bringing light to this!

It has been my experience on this site that if certain people cannot insult or mock Native Americans or blame Native Americans in some manner then they have nothing to say to berate and demean or even comment on any native issue, like this one.

(It is rhetorical, but still important.)

I know.

Even if I am not native, on a human level this worries the heck out of me because as a minority, if they are treating others like this (and no one is coming to expose the wrong doing), then "I am next." It is no secret this type of behavior against peaceful protestor happens, but the blackout and severity of force is alarming

Your statement reminds me of this quote by Martin Niemöller.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

I did see VINE on HBO mention this, finally.

Can you provide a link please?

 

[Shiloh Raven]

"We were caged in dog kennels."

"We sat on the floor."

"We were marked with numbers."

"We were held in the garage."

They put the women in two dog kennels covered with tarps in the garage.

Water Protectors Jailed in Dog Kennels, Assigned Numbers as Concentration Camps

 

[Shiloh Raven]

A picture released of this grass fire in the early hours this morning.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Amnesty International Human Rights Observers in the Oceti Sakowin Camp. Representatives came to Standing Rock again after the violent raid on Thursday. They are there to observe the law enforcement and ensure the rights of the water protectors.

 

[tatteredsoul]

I think it has to do with the fact that this thread is not in the main debate forums.



It has been my experience on this site that if certain people cannot insult or mock Native Americans or blame Native Americans in some manner then they have nothing to say to berate and demean or even comment on any native issue, like this one.



I know.



Your statement reminds me of this quote by Martin Niemöller.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.



Can you provide a link please?

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/tech-behind-the-dakota-access-pipeline-protests

It was VICE, not vine - my fault. That link above is to the latest on the protest, but most of it is redundant since you have posted it in this thread.

I couldn't find the video or episode on the website, but they may update it soon. I just saw it Friday.



"Your statement reminds me of this quote by Martin Niemöller."

I know it very well, and that was in my psyche when I stated what I stated. We know our history, but most dont. That means, it will likely repeat (and, in fact it is - with the same measure of ignorance of the problems.)

 

[Shiloh Raven]

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/tech-behind-the-dakota-access-pipeline-protests

It was VICE, not vine - my fault. That link above is to the latest on the protest, but most of it is redundant since you have posted it in this thread.

I couldn't find the video or episode on the website, but they may update it soon. I just saw it Friday.

Thank you for the link. I appreciate it.

Excerpted from the article: "I’m out there with my three year-old daughter, looking in the face of police in full riot gear, with mace in cans the size of small fire extinguishers, with their huge guns like something out of Rambo."

"Your statement reminds me of this quote by Martin Niemöller."

I know it very well, and that was in my psyche when I stated what I stated. We know our history, but most dont. That means, it will likely repeat (and, in fact it is - with the same measure of ignorance of the problems.)

The marginalization, racism and discrimination against Native Americans has hardly changed in this country. Native Americans still fight for their continued survival, for their rights, and for what scraps of tribal lands that are left for them to live on.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Updating this update: Latest news from a couple of live videos: The grass fire started around midnight, burnt all night but the fire is out now. Reports say the fire burnt itself out. There are also reports that the BIA was parked on the hill south of the fire with a firetruck waiting for permission to put out the fire, but North Dakota denied BIA permission to enter state jurisdiction to begin putting out the fire. There was also a UN Representative who came to speak to the water protectors yesterday. I have not heard anything about the representative's speech yet. If I hear anything about the speech, then I will post it later.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

True inspiration. Riley Ortega, Hopi, is currently running 1,400 miles to Standing Rock from Flagstaff, Arizona.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Thank you for the link. I appreciate it.

Excerpted from the article: "I’m out there with my three year-old daughter, looking in the face of police in full riot gear, with mace in cans the size of small fire extinguishers, with their huge guns like something out of Rambo."



The marginalization, racism and discrimination against Native Americans has hardly changed in this country. Native Americans still fight for their continued survival, for their rights, and for what scraps of tribal lands that are left for them to live on.

Yea... whatever scraps of land that dont happen to be near nuclear waste depositories.

I am "black," so I understand the racism and marginalization. I think you know this too.

What gets me is the consistency of ignorance all around, and the ready acceptance of stereotypes.

For example, the stirring of the animals gets those cops excited because 1) they have no idea why animals would react in such a way, and 2) it gives them an excuse to use their military hand me downs.

I suppose if you were brought up in a school system that pounds in your head that animals have no souls, you wouldn't see the need to think before reacting.

It reminds me of the cop that was so ignorant of the "deer caught in the headlights" cliche, that when one was actually in his headlights, he shot it dead instead of turning the light off when it didn't move.

Seriously?

 

[Shiloh Raven]

More articles.

Spiritual Leaders Negotiate Impasse With Morton County Sheriff

Standing Rock Sioux Tribe Vows To Fight Dakota Access Pipeline Through Winter

A side-by-side comparison of the Dakota pipeline protest and Oregon militant verdicts

 

[Shiloh Raven]

FYI, I have also posted numerous memes on #NoDAPL in the political memes and cartoons thread in American Politics.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Excerpted from the article: Could Dakota Access Pipeline Owners Be Legally Liable for Human Rights Abuses?

Owners of the North Dakota Access Pipeline have been warned that they risk legal liability over several instances of human rights abuses agianst peaceful Native American and environmental activists opposing the US$3.8 billion pipeline, as militarized law enforcement have increasingly used violence and repression at protest camps.

The joint letter released Friday by five environmental and legal advocacy organizations said that the joint owners of the pipeline “have a corporate duty under international law and the laws of the United States to respect human rights and to avoid complicity in further human rights abuses.”

The advocacy groups said that in recent weeks the situation in the Standing Rock camp “has deteriorated further,” making reference to recent violent crackdowns by law enforcement and security personnel on peaceful protestors.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

I removed the picture of elder Karen Little Wounded because I was unsure of copyright and I could not get the link to the Facebook page right. It kept showing as media and not as a link. You can see the picture on Waniya Locke's profile page.

 

[tadoflamb]

More articles.

Spiritual Leaders Negotiate Impasse With Morton County Sheriff

excerpt

Fool Bear also wants accountability for how the water protectors were mistreated and manhandled during Thursday's events that left numerous people wounded from batons, rubber bullets, pepper spray and other weapons.

"I know there were people who were mistreated," Fool Bear said. "Someone needs to be held accountable."

I wonder what steps are being taken in insure that happens.