Arguments for the Existence of God

[devolved]

why?

I want God to exist in order to feel a special little snowflake that I think that I am, and I certainly would love the idea for something powerful like a God to eventually fix problems that we as humans can't fix on our own. I think that would be some of the positive outcomes if God actually existed and it would actually care.

 

[victorinus]

I want God to exist in order to feel a special little snowflake that I think that I am, and I certainly would love the idea for something powerful like a God to eventually fix problems that we as humans can't fix on our own. I think that would be some of the positive outcomes if God actually existed and it would actually care.

that is really good
-it looks like you are looking for a reasonable explanation for what you have been experiencing
-can you agree with that?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

that is really good
-it looks like you are looking for a reasonable explanation for what you have been experiencing
-can you agree with that?

Aren't we all looking for good explanations for things? Are you claiming to have such an explanation?

 

[HitchSlap]

why?

Why?

Because I know several amputees who would like to be able to pray for a new limb.

 

[devolved]

that is really good
-it looks like you are looking for a reasonable explanation for what you have been experiencing
-can you agree with that?

Yes. I'm looking for a Reasonable Explanation for what I experience, which is different from certain wish or an ideal reality.

But, do go on . I'm really curious as to where it's headed. My guess it's that it's moving towards TAG, but I could be wrong.

 

[victorinus]

Aren't we all looking for good explanations for things? Are you claiming to have such an explanation?

you had your chance
-now get out of the way while someone answers what you could not

 

[devolved]

Archaeopteryx, I really am curious... and obviously I have to progress through the script to see where it all leads, so oblige for a few posts.... please ?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

you had your chance
-now get out of the way while someone answers what you could not

That's amusing, considering that you repeatedly evaded my question. I think we both know why.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Archaeopteryx, I really am curious... and obviously I have to progress through the script to see where it all leads, so oblige for a few posts.... please ?

It definitely is a script. Let's find out where it leads.

 

[victorinus]

Yes. I'm looking for a Reasonable Explanation for what I experience, which is different from certain wish or an ideal reality.

But, do go on . I'm really curious as to where it's headed. My guess it's that it's moving towards TAG, but I could be wrong.

that's it, we are already there
-you wanted and therefore most likely needed a reasonable explanation
-now you have it
-so why not believe in it?
-you can continue to look for a more reasonable explanation but I don't think you will find one

 

[devolved]

you had your chance
-now get out of the way while someone answers what you could not

that's it, we are already there
-you wanted and therefore most likely needed a reasonable explanation
-now you have it
-so why not believe in it?
-you can continue to look for a more reasonable explanation but I don't think you will find one

Ok.

How is that a reasonable explanation? Do you understand the meaning of the word reasonable?

Do you understand the problem with that? I could be believing that there's some magical being that actually cares and will solve our problems, or I could see no reason that there is and that the way out of our problems doesn't rest with pretending that there is one.

I also would love for me to win a lottery the first try I do. Should I spend money on it believing that it's true and reasonable assumption and explanation of how lottery system works in scope of probablity?

 

[victorinus]

Ok.

How is that a reasonable explanation? Do you understand the meaning of the word reasonable?

Do you understand the problem with that? I could be believing that there's some magical being that actually cares and will solve our problems, or I could see no reason that there is and that the way out of our problems doesn't rest with pretending that there is one.

I also would love for me to win a lottery the first try I do. Should I spend money on it believing that it's true and reasonable assumption and explanation of how lottery system works in scope of probablity?

yes I understand reasonable
-winning the lottery is not
-so you are the one who needs to work on reasonable

 

[devolved]

yes I understand reasonable
-winning the lottery is not
-so you are the one who needs to work on reasonable

Hmm... but I merely follow your reasoning here, so it seems to be conflicting.

You asking me whether I want to believe in God. I said yes. You said, there you go. You want a reasonable explanation, therefore believe in it. You didn't actually present any reasonable arguments that the God exists.

I show you similar line of thinking:

1) I want to win a lottery
2) There ya go...

What's the difference between a claim that God exists and a claim that I will win a million dollars the first time I try? We actually have examples of people winning the lottery the first time they try, so at least there's a real world example of what I'm talking about that I can appeal to.

What is your reasonable evidence?

 

[HitchSlap]

What is your reasonable evidence?

I'm thinking he hasn't thought this far ahead.

Ooops.

 

[victorinus]

Hmm... but I merely follow your reasoning here, so it seems to be conflicting.

You asking me whether I want to believe in God. I said yes.

I then asked why and you gave a good explanation which was reasonable
-then you mentioned winning the lottery
-that is not reasonable

 

[devolved]

I then asked why and you gave a good explanation which was reasonable
-then you mentioned winning the lottery
-that is not reasonable

How is that less reasonable than explanation that I gave? Both reasonably explain what I wish for and why I wish for it.

Explain why you think that my wish of winning the lottery is less reasonable than my wish for God to exist.

 

[Eudaimonist]

-you are trapped if you answer my question

That is the attitude of a sophist.

-do you want a god to exist?

What I want is to flourish and find happiness as a human individual. I want what it is in my power to create in the universe as it actually exists.

J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle-earth is a fun fantasy. I cannot create Middle-earth through my own power. I might "want" to visit an actually-existing Middle-earth (in a peaceful time period), but I know that this is pure fantasy, and so the desire is not something I take seriously. It is hardly a desire at all since it cannot motivate me towards any possible goal. It is more like a daydream.

As for God, a daydream might be to meet a rational and benevolent God. That rules the Christian God right out, if the Bible is any indication of the character and nature of God. The God I might daydream about meeting would not be like an ancient warlord or king, but more like a Gandalf or John Galt figure -- that is, a wise mentor or friend. Such a God would probably be close to Deistic.

I can't imagine what any of this has to do with establishing the existence of any God, or of Middle-earth for that matter. I do not base my beliefs on what I want. What I want is based on my beliefs.

-you cannot answer that because you know you will be exposed for what you really are

Okay, what is that my young sophist, pray tell?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Davian]

your kind of god
-do you want a god to exist?

What I want is an accurate description of reality.

 

[Eudaimonist]

What I want is an accurate description of reality.

Absolutely.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[ToddNotTodd]

We've all noted that Mediaeval simply makes unfounded claims and follows them with unsupported conclusions. He occasionally throws in a quote or two...but I'm beginning to suspect that he doesn't actually know how the position he agrees with is reached.

Which is why there's little to zero explaining done in his posts.

Sye Ten Bruggencate would be proud...