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[Carey]

I have seen people here that dont believe in hell.
Dont believe in Satan.


What do ya'll think about
http://www.icejusa.org/site/PageNavigator/StopIranVideo

and www.usawakeup.org ???

 

[Ben12]

Satan is nor angel.

Hell is not in the original language of scriture but comes from a Teutonic pagan word and is not included in most new translations of the Bible.

 

[Tavita]

I have seen people here that dont believe in hell.
Dont believe in Satan.


What do ya'll think about
http://www.icejusa.org/site/PageNavigator/StopIranVideo

and www.usawakeup.org ???

What does the first video have to do with people not believing in hell or Satan?

It's just a push for more Christian Zionism. As if there has not been more ethnic cleansing of other races over the last twenty years. Why are the Jews soooo special? What about those in Sudan and Ethiopia.. not a word is said about them. OHHHH.. I get it!... the Jews are God's special people... they are no more special now than any other race on earth.

This link was posted in the Nicene Theology section under the same thread...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_the_Armenian_Genocide

 

[jive4005]

Lots of people, including more than a few Christians, don't want to think about hell, don't want to stray beyond the "kind and merciful" God idea, don't want to admit there might be a place that would "distress" them. Denial.
We all know these "deniers". It's the ostrich thing... head in the sand, I'm SAFE! Sounds like more than a few of my neighbors.

When I discovered God the first thing He showed me was His TRUTH... how everything comes thru that! Everything. So it's pretty sad that the thing God holds essential in all things is poo-pooed by so many.

Maturity in Christ won't come at all until Truth (and the acceptence of same) becomes an very really part of your life. As for those who won't believe what God tells them... little difference between now and two thousand years ago. But we keep at it!

His,
Rev J

 

[SoundCard]

I know what you mean. It's very clear there's a place of punishment for the unforgiven, yet there's a cadre of people who reject the idea as well as passing around a dangerous doctrine of hell even being some kind of purifier. And if Satan isn't a fallen angel, then what the heck is he?

 

[Ben12]

Lots of people, including more than a few Christians, don't want to think about hell, don't want to stray beyond the "kind and merciful" God idea, don't want to admit there might be a place that would "distress" them. Denial.
We all know these "deniers". It's the ostrich thing... head in the sand, I'm SAFE! Sounds like more than a few of my neighbors.

When I discovered God the first thing He showed me was His TRUTH... how everything comes thru that! Everything. So it's pretty sad that the thing God holds essential in all things is poo-pooed by so many.

Maturity in Christ won't come at all until Truth (and the acceptence of same) becomes an very really part of your life. As for those who won't believe what God tells them... little difference between now and two thousand years ago. But we keep at it!

His,
Rev J

Maybe what the real problem is when you read your Bible you are really missing the real message. Like the scriptures that declare the Salvation of all people. And seeing hell comes from pagan Baby lon and Rome; maybe you should dig a bit deeper.

 

[Zecryphon]

Maybe what the real problem is when you read your Bible you are really missing the real message. Like the scriptures that declare the Salvation of all people. And seeing hell comes from pagan Baby lon and Rome; maybe you should dig a bit deeper.

"Like the scriptures that declare the Salvation of all people."

Such as?

"And seeing hell comes from pagan Baby lon and Rome; maybe you should dig a bit deeper."

Which one of the numerous pagan religions are you referring to here? The idea of Hell or a place of torment was embraced long before the RCC was formed. The Greeks had one, the Egyptians had one, the Romans had one. I don't think the problem is the people not digging deep enough into the scriptures, I think the problem is that you read things into the scriptures that just aren't there.

 

[Tavita]

I have seen people here that dont believe in hell.
Dont believe in Satan.


What do ya'll think about
http://www.icejusa.org/site/PageNavigator/StopIranVideo

and www.usawakeup.org ???

Why is everyone talking about universalism again? This thread is not about hell, it's about Christian Zionism.

And , I should add... about the Muslim takeover in our world.

 

[Svt4Him]

The reason people don't believe in hell is to justify not evangelizing or not repenting. One doesn't have to do either if hell isn't real.

 

[Zecryphon]

Why is everyone talking about universalism again? This thread is not about hell, it's about Christian Zionism.

And , I should add... about the Muslim takeover in our world.

Ben12 did kinda bring it up when he mentioned "the scriptures that declare the Salvation of all people." That's universalism isn't it?

 

[Ben12]

The reason people don't believe in hell is to justify not evangelizing or not repenting. One doesn't have to do either if hell isn't real.

You cannot evangelize or even repent if God's grace has not first drawn/or dragged you

 

[Ben12]

Ben12 did kinda bring it up when he mentioned "the scriptures that declare the Salvation of all people." That's universalism isn't it?

That is your label; there is a lot more to it. I call people like you eternalhellist; is that all that you beleive; or is there more. I hope there is more?

 

[Tavita]

Ben12 did kinda bring it up when he mentioned "the scriptures that declare the Salvation of all people." That's universalism isn't it?

Oh I see, so if it's brought up it's just gotta be talked about, again.

Ok, go for it...

 

[Ben12]

Ben12 did kinda bring it up when he mentioned "the scriptures that declare the Salvation of all people." That's universalism isn't it?

Hey the more we talk about it the more God's people will realize that God has a greater plan for all of His creation. So ask away?

 

[MrSnow]

My only real beef with the doctrine is that (especially in the KJV) there are multiple words which are all rendered as "hell". So that begs the question, are all those words conveying the exact same idea? Maybe, maybe not. But regardless of the present state of the unsaved dead, I cannot justify the Lake of Fire (yet-future) as being anything other than eternal pain and suffering.

 

[Zecryphon]

That is your label; there is a lot more to it. I call people like you eternalhellist; is that all that you beleive; or is there more. I hope there is more?

"That is your label;"

I did not come up with the label or term universalist, so even though you would like to bestow that credit upon me, I'm afraid I can not accept it.

"there is a lot more to it. I call people like you eternalhellist;"

Yes you like to make up terms that no one else is familiar with. But hey, everyone needs a hobby.

"is that all that you beleive; or is there more. I hope there is more?"

Is what, all I believe? There's lots more, but you've already rejected it as being of Babylon and Paganism, so what would be the point of discussing it?

 

[IisJustMe]

I have seen people here that dont believe in hell. ... Dont believe in Satan. ... What do ya'll think about
http://www.icejusa.org/site/PageNavigator/StopIranVideo
and www.usawakeup.org ???

Despite the nonsense posted by others in this thread (please note, I didn't name any names) it as is the video clips say. "Wake up! The threat is real!" We are at war, and we act as though it is not our problem but someone else's. The Democrats play willing dupes to the terrorists, in the name of "protection of freedom" when such so-called "protection" will indeed put us into bondage. And that is why the US isn't in the Revelation picture.

 

[Zecryphon]

Oh I see, so if it's brought up it's just gotta be talked about, again.

Ok, go for it...

"Oh I see, so if it's brought up it's just gotta be talked about, again."

That's the way it usually works isn't it? Someone brings up a topic and others post about the topic or ask questions.

"Ok, go for it..."

As I'm not the one who brought it up, yet again, I have no reason to talk about it. This heresy has been put to bed in other threads.

 

[Zecryphon]

Hey the more we talk about it the more God's people will realize that God has a greater plan for all of His creation. So ask away?

"Hey the more we talk about it the more God's people will realize that God has a greater plan for all of His creation. So ask away?"

Or they'll see your claims for the heretical nonsense they are. You brought it (universalism) up, educate us all, yet again. But as this has been covered extensively in other threads, and you just hate repeating yourself over and over, you won't.

 

[DeanM]

Despite the nonsense posted by others in this thread (please note, I didn't name any names) it as is the video clips say. "Wake up! The threat is real! We are at war, and we act as though it is not our problem but someone else's. The Democrats play willing dupes to the terrorists, in the name of "protection of freedom" when such so-called "protection" will indeed put us into bondage. And that is why the US isn't in the Revelation picture.

Yeah, human freedoms are so pointless nowadays. Wouldn't it be easier if the government watched our every move? Perhaps they should number us to help keep track. They could tatoo the numbers on our foreheads.

And I know this guy who wants to be 667, the neighbor of the beast.

/sarcasm off