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Being religious is the last thing God wants of His people; it did not work for the Jews and Christianity just repeated the same error as the Jews. So much that is taught in religion today is from tradition and not revelation; there is a pattern in the Bible when it comes to the word tradition; it is not spoken of in a positive light. Look at the following verses and weigh them with the post on new. Now remember there was no Christian religion in Jesus day; so when Jesus spoke to the Jews it was as an example to us today. The first religious act in the Garden of Eden was the fig leaf; a way of God trying to reveal to us that; God not man and what he can produce is the only covering. The Levitical Priest were not allowed to wear wool; wool is symbolic of works (you sweat when you wear wool)

1 Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come

Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matthew 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mark 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

Mark 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

Mark 7:8
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Galatians 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

And I repeat: Our English word “religion” comes from the Latin “religio” which means “a taboo, a restraint” and bespeaks of a system exercised by the will of man designed to gain favor with God. The word broken down is “re” (return) +”ligare” (to bond with a restraint). Simply stated the word means… RETURN TO BONDAGE

Taboo is a perfect illustration of religion is doing to God’s deep and awesome Word.

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Religion restrains God’s Word instead of reaching out to God’s anointing or the Christ with in. Anti Christ/Anti Anointing means the same thing. Notice every time I present hidden in scripture; something on the edge; that does not fit a religious bias I am totally wrong. This is my point; either God is dead; and has absolutely nothing to say; or His Word is alive and is progressive. It is sad to say it is so dead in religious dogma; I had a brother tell me the other day that there has been no revelation sense the 3rd Century. I guess if you are dead spiritually you can no longer hear God’s spirit. A dead man cannot hear, see, touch or smell; this is double true of a spiritual dead man; or religious man (same thing).

Notice how religion man always has to go back to some religious scholar to restrict God’s Word; never reaching, seeking asking for what God is TRYING to reveal to us.
 
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Ben: How is following what the BIBLE SAYS, "religion"?
You can remove or alter what "church" means, BUT YOU ARE STILL LEFT WITH CORPORATE ASSEMBLY of Christians in the NT - with detailed guidelines by Paul on the leadership structure and order within it.
(In 1 Timothy & 1-2 Cor. just for starters)...
Again, you focus on one "WORD", YET MISS ALL THE ELABORATION AND EXAMPLES given thruout the bible that supports our claims.
Take out "church", but you're still left with the detailed promotion of corporate Christian assembly that you seem to shun as evil "religion"....

You can yank out 4 times "hell" is used, BUT YOU CAN'T YANK OUT LUKE 16 & REV. 20 that go into lengthy detailed explanation of this torment directly. (and parables Jesus gave about branches or tares that lack fruit being plucked up & thrown into the "FIRE"....
If "hell" doesn't belong in the bible, why is it elaborately defined by Jesus and John later as a place to fear or not want to be? (everyone DIES, and goes into a grave - so why is THIS ONE a place to fear and dread in particular??)

Further, since you promote Universalism - that God is SO loving & merciful & gracious... that EVERYONE WILL BE GRANTED ENTRY TO HIS KINGDOM AFTER DEATH,
then what in the world does it even MATTER that you're "RIGHT" about anything spiritual?? Or if everyone else is RIGHT and you're wrong?
We all get in anways, right? :sorry: :holy:
:scratch: :confused:

You can sit and preach till you turn blue Ben, your statements and information are disproven by the Bible's own elaboration of these terms - no matter how you want to wipe them out of existance to suit your unorthodox theology.
 
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Ben: How is following what the BIBLE SAYS, "religion"?

Religion is a big part of the Bible; if read your Bible and hear what God is saying thought His anointing; then you are hearing God not religion. But you listen to religious men that seldom ever happen. I tell you what I have heard some thing in scripture that are so deep and profound; it could only come from God. But that will never happen to a religious man because all of God’s Word must fit their creeds; nothing allowed outside the camp/box. But if all you are doing is puppeting some denominational or non denominational system; that is religion. You see God lives with in us; not with out.When you trust man; instead of Christ; or God’s anointing then you are doing the very thing Adam and Eve did.

Your arguments come always from some great scholar. (Reminds me of the Priest Ichabod) The word Ichabod means the glory has departed; this is what has happened to the church today. What women would name a child Ichabod with such a meaning; but just like this priest; God is bringing forth a new age; all ages passes to include the church age; but make way there is greater age before us.

1 Samuel 4:21
And she named the child Ichabod, saying, The glory is departed from Israel: because the ark of God was taken, and because of her father in law and her husband.

God spirit lives in you and within in me; in fact God’s Spirit lives in all of us. Why did they sin in the Garden of Eden; who did Adam and Eve hear and follow; there main sin is they heard something other then God and obeyed (religion).

You can remove or alter what "church" means, BUT YOU ARE STILL LEFT WITH CORPORATE ASSEMBLY of Christians in the NT - with detailed guidelines by Paul on the leadership structure and order within it.

No one is removing the corporate assembly; I have come out of Baby lon; but I also know and believe it is God’s will that many will stay in Baby lon there whole lives or until God has destroyed it; which He will. Just like the Age of Moses, of the Age of the Prophet; or the Age of the Law; the Church ages is passing; all things come to pass; nothing comes to stay. The New Kingdom Age (which has nothing to do with JW) has already begun.

What religion has done is they have taken the most important factor away from God’s people; a desire to hear God’s Spirit and not the 22,000 different denominations of man; this is so apparent. Your Church may be growing; but that is the exception to the rule. Religious men keep telling me that we are not puppets; but that is all they are. They follow not the Spirit of Truth; but man.

You can yank out 4 times "hell" is used, BUT YOU CAN'T YANK OUT LUKE 16 & REV. 20 that go into lengthy detailed explanation of this torment directly. (and parables Jesus gave about branches or tares that lack fruit being plucked up & thrown into the "FIRE"....

Luke 16 is a parable I would be glad to discuss that in detail. Revelations 20 is symbolic and very deep and spiritual and is not literal; be glad to get into a study with you on this section of the Bible. I thought we have already touched on this area.

If "hell" doesn't belong in the bible, why is it elaborately defined by Jesus and John later as a place to fear or not want to be? (everyone DIES, and goes into a grave - so why is THIS ONE a place to fear and dread in particular??)

They never spoke of the pagan word hell; they spoke of the grave and the pit, the place of the dead.

Further, since you promote Universalism - that God is SO loving & merciful & gracious... that EVERYONE WILL BE GRANTED ENTRY TO HIS KINGDOM AFTER DEATH,
then what in the world does it even MATTER that you're "RIGHT" about anything spiritual?? Or if everyone else is RIGHT and you're wrong?
We all get in anways, right?


Yes we do in God’s timing; not mine or yours oe some dead church leader that can only hear the dogmas of his Pope or headquarters. And if the reality of the truth is not important to you as a believer; then what is important. I love God and I love His deep Word; I also know there is no way that Jesus would send billions and billions to a torture chamber for eternity. The Blood of Jesus uis greater then the sin of Adam.

You can sit and preach till you turn blue Ben, your statements and information are disproven by the Bible's own elaboration of these terms - no matter how you want to wipe them out of existance to suit your unorthodox theology.

What bothers you more then anything is I use scripture to disprove your old warn out wine skins; by the way the Jews were orthodox and they missed their the Messiah right there in from of their noses. Where does it say orthodox is the way the truth and the light; you are just following man and it tradition because that is all the light you have.
 
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This is the kind of Christian Character and nature these doctrines produce.

What was the fruit of the spirit?

This is what I am talking about; with this kind of character we might as well be Muslin.
Fruit of the Spirit?? K,... but fruit ACCORDING TO WHICH BIBLE???

According to YOU our bibles are all paganized and demonic... so basically unless we switch to YOUR bible version(s), we're all pagan pharisees.

Which in the end, who really cares, WE GET INTO HEAVEN ANYWAYS since God is so loving. I have yet to see how it all matters in the big picture with God's mercy & grace He'll lavish upon me even in my phariseeical error.
:sorry: :angel:

ps. you quote from Tentmaker -- does this site promote Jesus as God? The Trinity? Or is that false too (due to our pagan bibles)?
 
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Fruit of the Spirit?? K,... but fruit ACCORDING TO WHICH BIBLE???

According to YOU our bibles are all paganized and demonic... so basically unless we switch to YOUR bible version(s), we're all pagan pharisees.

Which in the end, who really cares, WE GET INTO HEAVEN ANYWAYS since God is so loving. I have yet to see how it all matters in the big picture with God's mercy & grace He'll lavish upon me even in my phariseeical error.
:sorry: :angel:

ps. you quote from Tentmaker -- does this site promote Jesus as God? The Trinity? Or is that false too (due to our pagan bibles)?
Are you saying there are no mistakes in the Bible?
Does not the KJV of the Bible have the word Easter in it? Do you celebrate Easter?

pascha ^3957^, mistranslated "Easter" in <Acts 12:4>, KJV, denotes the Passover (RV). The phrase "after the Passover" signifies after the whole festival was at an end. The term "Easter" is not of Christian origin. It is another form of Astarte, one of the titles of the Chaldean goddess, the queen of heaven. The festival of Pasch held by Christians in post-apostolic times was a continuation of the Jewish feast, but was not instituted by Christ, nor was it connected with Lent. From this Pasch the pagan festival of "Easter" was quite distinct and was introduced into the apostate Western religion, as part of the attempt to adapt pagan festivals to Christianity. See PASSOVER.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words)
(Copyright (C) 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)

Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

All I have ever said about scripture is it can be interpreted by the letter that killeth, or religiously; but there is also a spiritual Word.
 
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