Aren't we all physically ill?

[lismore]

I look to the cross since I am medically unable to fast. I cannot fast from food as I am hypoglycemic.

That is very wise.

My uncle was a diabetic and was encouraged by his church to go on a corporate fast, it caused him many health problems.

IMO God sees your heart.

 

[Messy]

You can fast in other ways than not eating, if you can't do that. Fasting from internet and use the time to pray for instance. I had the biggest breakthrough when I was praying for an atheist with cancer and another atheist. I was doing warfare for them and it turned out I wasn't even free myself, but the demons left me just like that.

 

[lismore]

You can fast in other ways than not eating, if you can't do that. Fasting from internet and use the time to pray for instance.

Yes. Good idea

Or instead of having friends over for tea invite some oddballs:

13 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, 14 and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.” (Luke 14)

 

[Messy]

Yes. Good idea

Or instead of having friends over for tea invite some oddballs:

13 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, 14 and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.” (Luke 14)

Yes, terrific idea!!

 

[Frogster]

This is true, there are times when there was a definite drawing of God that I should fast, if it had been of my own willpower it wouldnt have happened. I still do not know the outcome of that but I was definitely drawn to do it and because God had done that it was right to fast. I almost think fasting without God drawing you to it is pointless but maybe not if you do it because you know you need Him, difficult to say.

We definitely need Jesus accomplishing what He did for us on the Cross, theres no comparison between fasting and the Cross.

Amen sis.

 

[JimB]

where do you get off saying stuff like that! wow! that's some arrogant stuff you just said there as if you have it all together.

perhaps you should seriously consider where you may be lacking if you think its ok to come and out and say stuff like that to people. especially to someone like Boidae who has a lot to deal with and is obviously someone who wants to honor God and as such is doing his best for his wife and child.

Yep. Full-Gospel turns out to be Full-of-Something-Else.

 

[Frogster]

Yep. Full-Gospel turns out to be Full-of-Something-Else.

 

[Messy]

Then seriously consider where you may be lacking in he fulfillment of that role.

Maybe you should seriously consider it yourself. We're one Body. Have you already fasted and prayed for them?

 

[Frogster]

True If you base fasting on will power you will fail. If you base it on faith you will succeed. Actually I see it as a test of our resolve of the Cross not as an alternative to it.

BUT ISN'T THE NATURE OF FASTING PUT ON THE PERSON, AND THEIR RESOLVE? IF IT IS TOTAL GRACE, AND NOT YOU, THEN HOW IS IT A FAST?

don't mind the caps, didn't know they were on.

 

[TasManOfGod]

BUT ISN'T THE NATURE OF FASTING PUT ON THE PERSON, AND THEIR RESOLVE? IF IT IS TOTAL GRACE, AND NOT YOU, THEN HOW IS IT A FAST?

don't mind the caps, didn't know they were on.

Active faith still requires participation of the believer. Nobody says fasting is "a piece of cake" ( pardon the pun) but is surprisingly fulfilling.

 

[TasManOfGod]

Maybe you should seriously consider it yourself. We're one Body. Have you already fasted and prayed for them?

These matters require all being in one accord.

 

[JimB]

Ahem. This thread has devolved a long way from the OP. I have opened a thread on fasting to continue discussing this subject but I would like to discuss the OP here. Thanx.

 

[aWalkbyFaith]

JimB,

Sorry I didn't think we would get so much discussion on fasting.

Ok back on track here..

On the "we are all sick to some degree", is all sickness "natural"? Weren't some in the bible afflicted by demons to the point it caused sickness/disease? So then the question, is all sickness the same?

 

[JimB]

In a sense all sickness is the same. Demons may encourage/aggravate an illness, but they cannot create one, IMO. Illness is the abnormal function of the human machine. A sickness is, by definition, a deviation from the normal functioning of an organism. Normal is healthy; abnormal is illness. Of course, normal is a subjective thing—my normal may not be your normal; and vice versa. So, in this context, what is normal? Am I “normal” at 18? 25? 30? 40? Is “normal” 20/20 vision? A full head of hair? The absence of bacteria in my body? Good teeth? Excellent stamina? Athletic ability? No warts or acne or halitosis? What? If I am lacking in any of these areas am I still “normal” or am I sick? IMO, we are all sick (i.e., subnormal) at some level and so, yes, by this definition, I would classify aging as an illness.

 

[aWalkbyFaith]

In a sense all sickness is the same. Demons may encourage/aggravate an illness, but they cannot create one, IMO. Illness is the abnormal function of the human machine. A sickness is, by definition, a deviation from the normal functioning of an organism. Normal is healthy; abnormal is illness. Of course, normal is a subjective thing—my normal may not be your normal; and vice versa. So, in this context, what is normal? Am I “normal” at 18? 25? 30? 40? Is “normal” 20/20 vision? A full head of hair? The absence of bacteria in my body? Good teeth? Excellent stamina? Athletic ability? No warts or acne or halitosis? What? If I am lacking in any of these areas am I still “normal” or am I sick? IMO, we are all sick (i.e., subnormal) at some level and so, yes, by this definition, I would classify aging as an illness.

Yes. All very good questions. Aging does seem like a slow dying process. I agree.

I remember reading a story about how John G. Lake believed that because he was the temple of the holy spirit (as we are ), then bacteria had to die upon contact with his body. And it is said that it was verified by a microscope. Has anyone ever heard of that?

Another thing I was thinking about not long ago after seeing a post about leprosy was: Wikipedia defines leprosy as a bacteria that causes permanent damage. So I went to the old testament and saw how under the law, a person with leprosy would undergo a cleansing ritual and then a sin offering all of which Christ did for us.

We are under a covenant of grace, through faith. How much more are these things available to us.. I guess I'm left praying "oh Lord help my unbelief. " I've seen many healings/deliverances in my own life. I want to have 20/20 vision, or at least not have to wear glasses to drive and feel safe haha. I can recall a time I became pretty serious about this in "fervent faith" and once felt the presence of God come on my eyes while praying, then for some reason I feared when I felt tingly/warmth on my eyes. Then it left. And since then I kinda settled for wearing glasses and accepted this as "normal" aging.

Would you guys please pray for me? I know God is able to restore vision to not have to wear glasses. I believe according to His covenant, He is also willing. So if it's me then I pray God have your way in me.

Brothers and sisters, can I get some agreement in prayer for this please?

 

[Always in His Presence]

, by this definition, I would classify aging as an illness.

Thank you for clarifying

Please note that this classification is from human observation and is not found taught any place in scripture. IMHO it is therefore a non scriptural view. How on can embrace this over the multitude of scriptures showing Jesus healed everyone who came to Him is beyond my comprehension.

But then again mans doctrine has to take the plain and complicate it to function.

When will we stop being pragmatic? If it works for me, it is scrptual and if it doesn't it must not be Gods will.

Sad state of the body indeed.

 

[Faulty]

Thank you for clarifying

Please note that this classification is from human observation and is not found taught any place in scripture. IMHO it is therefore a non scriptural view. How on can embrace this over the multitude of scriptures showing Jesus healed everyone who came to Him is beyond my comprehension.

But then again mans doctrine has to take the plain and complicate it to function.

When will we stop being pragmatic? If it works for me, it is scrptual and if it doesn't it must not be Gods will.

Sad state of the body indeed.

Please note the assumption that aging is NOT part of the dying process is also an assumption based somewhere other than scripture. Therefore, in your own words, also a "non scriptural view". If you desire pragmatism to have no place in the discussion, then it seems that one would have to hold neither view.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Please note the assumption that aging is NOT part of the dying process is also an assumption based somewhere other than scripture. Therefore, in your own words, also a "non scriptural view". If you desire pragmatism to have no place in the discussion, then it seems that one would have to hold neither view.

Dying process?

Heh, yeah. Sort of like Moses being killed prematurely

 

[Faulty]

Dying process?

Heh, yeah. Sort of like Moses being killed prematurely

You didn't address either point, other than through this mocking. But if that is the approach that works for you, then so be it.

 

[Gospel Guy]

Illness is the abnormal function of the human machine

Yes, and that was brought upon mankind by... sin!

If Adam had not sinned, man would have never known sickness and disease.

In the end when God moves Heaven to earth... man will never know sickness and disease again.

When Jesus paid for our sin on the Cross... it covered everything that sin brought upon mankind including sickness and disease.

A major key for not getting sick, along with getting plenty of nourishment, stop eating bad food, getting plenty of rest and exercise, along with continued praise-n-worship unto the Lord for God's promises concerning healing!