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Because you are reading an English translation, so the translators chose the singular pronoun because He is one person in three.If there are two YHWHs (2 persons) in these verses then why don't I see words "are", "they" but I see words "he", "is".
So God is three persons but not three separate entities? What can that possibly mean? Aren't we splitting hairs here?Three Gods would involve three separate entities.
In this verse (John 17:3) Jesus is praying to "you, the only true God". I thought Christians thought that here Jesus was praying to the Father. Instead, he was praying to the combination of the Father, Son, and Spirit? How can he be praying to himself?I believe it refers to God as a whole in the spirit world. And Jesus Christ as God as a man in the physical world.
Well yes, but Acts 7:55 says Jesus was sitting at the right hand of God. You seem to be saying that "God" refers to "God as a whole" so then this would be saying Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God as a whole. In other words Jesus was sitting at the right hand of The Father, Son, and Spirit. How can Jesus be sitting at the right hand of himself?Stephen saw the glory of God, and I don't know what that is, but he also saw Jesus as the God-Man.
So God is three persons but not three separate entities? What can that possibly mean? Aren't we splitting hairs here?
In this verse (John 17:3) Jesus is praying to "you, the only true God". I thought Christians thought that here Jesus was praying to the Father. Instead, he was praying to the combination of the Father, Son, and Spirit? How can he be praying to himself?
Here is the context of John 17:3:
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
It just does not make sense to me that he is praying to the combination of the 3 and calling that combination "you".
Well yes, but Acts 7:55 says Jesus was sitting at the right hand of God. You seem to be saying that "God" refers to "God as a whole" so then this would be saying Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God as a whole. In other words Jesus was sitting at the right hand of The Father, Son, and Spirit. How can Jesus be sitting at the right hand of himself?
Thank you. I believe God is one person, too. But that one person has 3 persons within himself.That’s funny, I read it in Hebrew and it is still singular.
This not the Word of God. This is 100% unbiblical statement."Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated.
what does it even mean? is this Word of God? Whom did God say this?The Father unlimited; the Son unlimited; and the Holy Ghost unlimited.
Do you understand that it doesn't make any sense?The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal.
Do you understand that this doesn't make any sense?As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord.
For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords.
Who is "we"? God? I want to see these words: Thus says the Lord : "I forbid to say ......"" - The Athanasian Creed
Who is "we"? God? I want to see these words: Thus says the Lord : "I forbid to say ......"
Hmm, I can not comprehend what you have said, katerinah. Can you explain Trinity the way that even a child could understand?
It's Genesis 19:24.Please, show me where I can see in the Bible that there are two YHWHs.
please, tell me what book and chapter is this verse from?
Ah, there are three hypostases and one ousia. That clears it upThe early fathers tended to prefer saying three Hypostases, translated into English as subsistences. The word "person" comes from the Latin persona (plural personae) a translation of the Greek prosopon (plural prosopa). Historically both prosopa and persona have been somewhat troublesome (as is the English "person"). The heretical Sabellians argued that God was a single hypostasis with three prosopa (personae), the concept of the prosopon was that of the theater masks worn during Greek plays--this is the reason Sabellius and others were regarded as heretics, they were saying, in effect, God merely put on different masks or "faces". The term prosopa has been used to describe the three hypostases, but it is defined in explicitly non-Sabellian terms by asserting God is three hypostases, not one hypostasis.
The fathers instead spoke of God as three hypostases, God was not an actor putting on different faces, there is in fact an intrinsic three-ness to the Deity.
Further, God is called one ousia, or substance/being/essence.
This is to say the Son is not a separate being or entity from the Father, but the Son is a distinct (not separate) hypostasis than the Father.
In English the word "person" has its own set of assumptions, I'm a person, and you're an entirely separate person, we are two different creatures, two different beings, entities, things. This isn't the case with the Trinity.
The only way to really wrap one's head around Trinitarian theology is to familiarize oneself with the language and how it has been used historically. Analogies never work, inevitably when Christian try to explain the Trinity using analogies it results in rather explicit heresy.
-CryptoLutheran
It's Genesis 19:24.
Jehovah is an Anglicized version of YHWH, as Jesus is an Anglicized version of Yeshua. I don't use it myself, but I don't have a problem with it.Jehovah is not a legitimate Name for God
Hoveh is the reference to I AM.
Hovah means ruin. Strongs # 1943
The interpretation I referenced was taught by the early church fathers I mentioned in a previous post.Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens.
Genesis 19:24
I agree that Jesus Christ the Son of God, has the same name as His Father.
However this verse from Genesis doesn't necessarily mean that the fire came from two different Lords.
the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens, is the same as saying...
the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, out of the heavens.
By mentioning the Lord twice, their is an emphasis that the fire came from the Lord out of the heavens.JLB
It is Anglicized because of the precedent of the Masoretic Jews. I only take issue with the use of Jehovah with Jehovah Witnesses who think that is the name of God and deny the deity of Jesus.Jehovah is an Anglicized version of YHWH, as Jesus is an Anglicized version of Yeshua. I don't use it myself, but I don't have a problem with it.
Your questions are rooted in LDS doctrine, so that is a consideration in answering your questions. However, I am done with this discussion. It is a fruitless discussion of light to the blind.NOTE: I am not discussing here LDS Doctrine. I am discussing only the Bible and I want to ask Christians on this forum a question.
Ah, there are three hypostases and one ousia. That clears it up
If a polytheist says there are 3 gods and one ousia, is he basically in line with Christian doctrine on this?
If not, what is the difference between a god an a hypostasis?
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