HARDLY JTB speaks of christ baptizing with the Spirit. scripture speaks of a baptism with the holy spirit in 1 cor 12:13 and when the apostles were baptized. SO no i can read and not ignore passages that might in some way show something against what i may believe. the onl;y one that counts is the one that saves. your just being a bit top litterale.
1 Cor 12:13 say BY one Spirit, not WITH one Spirit.
As has been shown to you before, in Jn 4:1,2. Verse 2 says Jesus baptized not, yet verse 1 says Jesus baptized. Is this a contradiction? No, for Jesus baptized not personally, but He baptized by giving His authority to His disciples to baptize. The Holy SPirit does not baptize Himself personally, He baptizes by giving His authority to the disciples to baptize, just as He gave Paul the authority to water baptize some of the Corinthians. Again, EPh 4:5 says ONE baptism, we see Paul water baptizing the Corinthians in 1 COr 1:14,16 and we see you trying to make 1 COr 12:13 a diiferent baptism thus creating two, not one.
schroeder said:
seeing how i am not a calvanist, dont see your point. BUT scripture is clear that one is in there sinful nature. Rom 8 talks about it as does others. If we did not have a sinful nature God would not have to work through GRACE or send his son to do what we OBVIOUSELY couldnt EVER do. If we could have a part any part at all then WHY didnt he just stick with the sacrifiices. you just merely blow off what i say because AGAIN it would damage your theology.
False teachers have created the ides of a "sinful nature", the bible teaches otherwise. See Gen 4:4-8, note what God said to Cain in v7. If Cain had a "sinful nature" he could not do well nor rule over sin.
schroeder said:
There is no scripture anywhere that says or proves this idea correct. you say scripture shows you right show me ANYWHERE else this idea is true. NO place in scripture talks about making disciples BY water by water baptizing.
Mt 28:19,20
schroeder said:
how is it fulfilled you dont even ADD the rest of the prophecy, the whole part about the seeing visions the miracles in the sky sun turning to dark moon turned red ect. SOOO it is abviouse it was NOT fulfilled. OR are you gooingt o show me where all this other stuff in the prophecy was fulfilled in the two places you say it was. ITs a two fold prophecy it is NOT fulfilled it is BEING fulfilled still.
If Joel's prophecy has not been fulfilled then Jesus was not the Messiah and every jot and tittle of the OT law is still in place and in effect. Has Acts 2:21 come to pass? Verses 19,20 referencing the crucifixition of Christ.
schroeder said:
I dont say doing nothing. one must believe, which according to scripture means believe and ACCEPT him into your heart. seeig how God sees the heart of man and knows if you do or not.
I did a word check and could not find a verse that says to believe and accept Him into your heart...no such vers exists.
schroeder said:
acts 15:8 shows us this. AGAIN WE do not do anything we cant, YOU DO RECALL WE DID ONCE AND GOD SAID HE DIDNT LIKE IT, THE SACRIFICES, You speak of eigogenisis w hat of those who say that passages reads better as IN LIGHT OF the forgiveness of sins. NEVER mind ALL the other passages that say belief forgives sins acts 10:43 and others. You merely take the one place it seems to say it like you think and make ALL the other say. And ignore the scripture that says ONLY blood forgives sin. again tell me how water baptism is blood.
Acts 15:8 "And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as unto us." Peter is saying God gave the Gentiles in Acts 10 the Holy GHost as He did the Apostles in Acts 2. Absolutley nothing here says Cornelius was saved before he was water baptized.
Peter has already said inn Acts 2:38 that baptism is for the remission of sins. NO VERSE say "belief alone" forgives sins, Acts 10:43 does not say belief alone forgives sins. Biblical belief ia an action word, it includes being baptized. As shown to you before in Acts 2:41, those that gladly recieved Peter's wrods were baptized, so theose that rejected his words refused to be baptized. In verse 44 it says all that believed were together. Now who were the ones that believed? The ones that gladly accepted Peter's words and baptized or those that rejected his words and not baptized? Obviously the ones that believed were the ones baptized. So here we have the word "believe" include eing baptized.
You do not deal with Acts 10:35 where Cornelius was to work righteousness to be accepted with God. Working righteousness is obeying GOd's commands, so when COrnelius obeyed the command to be water baptized, he then was accepted with God, not before. Also note that the Holy Ghost fell upon Cornelius before Peter told him Acts 10:43, can Cornelius be "saved" before he believed? No.
schroeder said:
NO it doesnt contradict. YOU MAKE CONTRADICT. disharmony. like saying BELIEVE on me for eternal life, and be water baptised for eternal life or all who have faith in Jesus will have the sins forgiven, or be water baptised and your sins will be forgiven. How did you receive the Spirit in BELIEF no PAUL in water baptism. Or so by FAITH we will be GIVEN the holy SPirit. NO paul you are wrong it is in water baptism we are given the Spirit. WERE does it say Faith is getting water baptised NO WHERE. Rom 10:8-10 shows us WHAT FAITH is. There are SOOO many others but these show well your the one making it all contradict. the only way it wont for you is to ignore them or add to them.
So your saying Acts 2:21 and Acts 2:38 do not contradict? I agree. Since "saved" and 'remission of sins" are the same thing, then the same thing that saves must also remit sins, thus "calling on the name of the Lord" must be the same as "repenting and being baptized". Acts 22:16 Saul/Paul was calling upon the name of the Lord when he was baptized and had his sins washed away. It all fits together so perfectly.
schroeder said:
as above. NO everyone who does not believe is condemed already. SEEING how you dont accept that we cold never do anything to have our sins removed or total depravity. which is in rom 8 and others. our fleshful nature is the same as sinfull nature. WHY wont you deal with rom 8. it rather clear we cant please GOd without christ in us. If we could be OBEDIANT in our flesh there would be no need of Christ dieing on the cross.
Again, the bible does not teach that man has a "sinful nature", from Gen 4:7 Cain sure did not have one. Rom 2:14 The Gentiles did not have God's law, but did BY NATURE the things contained in the law. This would have been impossible if "sinful nature" were true.
schroeder said:
YOUR JUST ignoring the passage. every passage about it shows it does not include water baptism acts 15:8 shows it is what is in our hearts as does rom 10:8-10. ITS THERE stop ignoring it. IT does you just dont like to see it.
Maybe I can't see it because no passage says "faith only saves"...if it's not there...I can't see it.