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ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

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No spirit? So they are not in heaven?

I disagree with the last sentence in this article but the rest of it is sound

Question: "Do the souls of aborted babies go to heaven?"

Answer:
Abortion as we know it today was not practiced in biblical times, and the Bible never specifically mentions the issue of abortion. It is clear from the Scriptures that an unborn baby is known by the Lord, even from the time of conception (Psalm 139:13-16). Although the Bible does not mention abortion or aborted babies, we do have two keys to help us unlock the answer to the question of whether the souls of aborted babies go to heaven.

The first key is from the only passage in the Bible where something specific is said about the death of infants. In 2 Samuel 12 we learn of David’s affair with Bathsheba, another man’s wife. David was informed by the prophet Nathan that the child produced by that union would die. David then began to fast and pray, asking the Lord to not carry out His judgment. When the child did die, David got up from praying and fasting and ate something.

When asked about this behavior, David uttered the words recorded in 2 Samuel 12:23, “Now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.” David’s words reflect a clear understanding that the child could not come back to earth, but David would be with his child one day in heaven. This indicates not only David’s assurance of his own future in heaven (Psalm 23:6), but also the assurance that his child would share that future. From this account, we can conclude that infants who die are destined for heaven.

See the rest of the article here
www.gotquestions.org/aborted-babies-heaven.html
 
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Psalm 115:17
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.

Can you image being in Heaven and not praising the LORD

So no, an aborted child is not in heaven, and neither is a still born child? So there is no crime or sin in aborting an unwanted fetus?
 
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No spirit? So they are not in heaven?

Remember
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

No mention of a spirit. Just dust + breath of life = a living soul
 
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So no, an aborted child is not in heaven, and neither is a still born child? So there is no crime or sin in aborting an unwanted fetus?

First statement is correct only at the resurrection will Jesus take them to Heaven.
Your last statement is incorrect.
Matthew 19:18
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thoushalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
 
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Remember
Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

No mention of a spirit. Just dust + breath of life = a living soul

What is a spirit? When do we get one?
 
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What is a spirit? When do we get one?
Dictionaries - Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology - Spirit
Spirit [N] [E]
The Old Testament. The Hebrew word for "spirit" is ruah [;jWr]. It appears 389 times in the Old Testament. Its varied use almost defies analysis, but some emphases are discernible. It is used more often of God (136 times) than of persons or animals (129 times).....
Its basic meaning is wind (113 times)....

Breath is also a basic meaning of this term. It is the Lord who gives breath to people ( Isa 42:5 ) and to lifeless bodies ( in 1:1 Ezek 37:9-10 in ; this chapter there is a wordplay on ruah [;jWr], allowing it to mean wind, breath, spirit a similar phenomenon is found in John 3:5 John 3:8 ; where pneuma [pneu'ma] means both wind and spirit ). It is also used of bad breath Job's breath was repulsive to his wife ( Job 19:17 )....

read more
www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/spirit/
 
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Both of you bring up some good points.
Concerning the" denarius and caesar", I would like to share some thoughts and Scriptures I feel may be somewhat pertinent to the OP and the above posts.

3 of the Gospels mention this event and all addressed to the corrupt/greedy Jewish rulers

Jesus mentions both the Pharisees and "Herodians" in Matt and Mar. [I don't know much about the "herodians" as they are only mentioned in 3 verses, Matthew 22:16 Mark 3:6 and Mark 12:13]

All 3 mention "denarius", "image" and "Caesar"

Matthew 22
15 Then the Pharisees went and plotted how they might entangle Him in His talk.
16 And they sent to Him their disciples with the Herodians,
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, "why make ye trial of Me, ye hypocrites?
19 Show me the tribute money". And they brought unto Him a denarius.
20 And He saith unto them, "whose is this image<1504> and superscription?"
21They say unto Him, "Caesar's".............
Mark 12
13 Then they sent to Him some of the Pharisees and the Herodians<2265>, to catch Him in His words.
15 "Shall we give, or shall we not give?" But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them,
"why make ye trial of Me? Bring me a denarius, that I may see it".
16 And they brought it. And He saith unto them, "whose is this image<1504> and superscription?" And they said unto him, "Caesar's".

Luke mentions the chief priests and scribes sending spies.

Luke 20

19 And the chief priests and the scribes the same hour sought to lay hands on him; and they feared the people: for they perceived that He had spoken this parable against them.
20 And they watched Him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of his words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor.
23 But He perceived their craftiness, and said unto them,
24 "Show me a denarius. Whose image<1504> and superscription hath it?" And they said, "Caesar's".

The "denarius<1220>" is only mentioned in the Gospels, and 1 time in Revelation.
It has been said by some commentators that Reve 6:6 denotes "famine/depression" <G3042>, which also occurred during the Roman siege of Jerusalem in 70ad [read: Josephus]
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denarius and three choinex of barleys a denarius,
and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".
"image<1504> is mentioned in 20 verses, 8 of those in Revelation.

Matthew 22
20 And He saith unto them, "whose is this image<1504> and superscription?"
21They say unto Him, "Caesar's".............
Mark 12
16 And they brought it. And He saith unto them, "whose is this image<1504> and superscription?" And they said unto him, "Caesar's".
Luke 20
24 "Show me a denarius. Whose image<1504> and superscription hath it?" And they said, "Caesar's".

The exact word form of #G1504 occurs in only 6 verses.
Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
TR — 23x in 4 unique form(s)
εἰκὼν — 6x
Here are 3 of them:
2 Corinthians 4:4
whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image<1504 εἰκὼν> of God, should shine on them
Colossians 1:15
He is the image<1504 εἰκὼν> of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
And 1 time in Revelation [the word bolded]
Revelation 13:15
He was granted power to give breath to the image<1504> of the beast, that the image<1504 εἰκὼν> of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image<1504> of the beast to be killed.
Combine those verses with these 2 verses and perhaps a clearer picture emerges of Revelation?
Matthew 22:
19 Show me the tribute money". And they brought unto Him a denarius.
20 And He saith unto them, "whose is this image<1504> and superscription?"
21They say unto Him, "Caesar's".............
Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denarius and three choinex of barleys a denarius,
and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".
Mystery Babylon/Harlot appears to symbolize a corrupt false religious system, that tho it believes in God [both OC Judaism[Yahweh] and Islam[Allah] of today comes to mind], does not worship Him as God as written in Romans 1:
Romans 1:21
because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful,
but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
And this interesting verse:
John 16:2
Putting out of the synagogue<656> they shall be doing ye,
but is coming an hour that every the one killing ye should be supposing a divine service to be offering to the God!
Any thoughts on this?
GOD BLESS
 
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Then your post #131 is misleading if breath and spirit are the same. That is what was confusing.
 
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I agree that the spirit, at death, returns to the Father. But I do not agree that the dead know nothing, exactly. I believe the context of those verses in Ecclesiastes 9 is "under the sun."


4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

To me that means that our dead relatives are not watching us, and don't know anything under the sun - but do in heaven. Either way, it is no biggie for me. I don't care about proving or disproving "soul sleep." Because when we die, if our soul is asleep, the very next moment is the second coming anyway and being with the Lord (for Christians).
 
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The mark of the beast is kind of a mystery but recieving it means you are a child of perdition.
 
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Then your post #131 is misleading if breath and spirit are the same. That is what was confusing.
Spirit and breath are the same word in the New Testament as well. When Adam was made a living soul it literally means he started breathing. Now in another context it could, and often does, mean the nonmaterial part of your being. That's what Jesus is talking about when he says, what can you exchange for the soul. The difference is found in the context.
 
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Concerning rich and money, the "covenantle" parable of the "Rich Man and Lazarus" in Luke 16 [which is perhaps my largest study of the NT. I have a few threads on it].
Just do a google seach on "rich man lazarus parable commentaries
I like Brian Huie's commentary on this parable as he also delves in to the Greek, as I also do.
Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
A lot of this parable has a lot of OT symbolism and a lot of the wording used in it can also be found in the covenantle book of Revelation.
I am just going to quote a little bit from it:
Luke 16:19 "There was a certain Man who was rich<4145> and clothed<1737> in purple <4209> and fine linen <1040> and fared sumptuously<2988>every day."
rich<4145> used in 29 verses, primariy in Luke [11 verses]
The exact word form of #4145 occurs in 2 verses of Revelation
Revelation 2:9
“I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich<4145 πλούσιος>; and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
The rich man is denoting "carnal earthly riches", instead of "spiritual riches"
Revelation 3:17 - “Because you say, I am rich<4145 πλούσιος> have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor<4434> blind, and naked—

Luke 16:
19 "There was a certain Man who was rich<4145> and clothed<1737> in purple <4209> and fine linen <1040> and fared sumptuously<2988>every day."


There are only 2 other verses in the NT that show "purple and fine linen" together
This "Queen/Harlot" in Revelation

clothed<1737>

in purple <4209>
and fine linen <1040>
and fared sumptuously<2988>every day."

Revelation 18:
7 As much as glorifies herself, and indulges be giving to her tormenting and mourning that in her heart she is saying 'I am sitting a Queen and widow not I am and mourning not I shall be seeing'.
12 “merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet, every kind of citron wood, every kind of object of ivory, every kind of object of most precious wood, bronze, iron, and marble;

16 “and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great City
that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls!

Queen Jezebel is mentioned in Revelation,

Revelation 2:20
“Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow[fn] that woman/wife[fn] Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess,......
so I could view the Rich-man and Queen as a type of 'Ahab and Jezebel"

1 Kings 21:25
But there was no one like Ahab who sold himself to do wickedness in the sight of the LORD, because Jezebel his wife stirred him up.

purple fine linen (NKJV)

Purple Fine-linen
occurs 208 times in 34 verses



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Hello brother ItIsFinished! Absolutely! What are we or what can we do without JESUS getting us ready for his coming? Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother.

God bless.
Stunning response as in other posts you have represented that only by "Keeping all the commandments of God," are we ready for his coming. Perhaps you can make a distinction in terms of the role of works in either obtaining salvation or maintaining it?
 
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People have had the mark of the beast since the first century. Even in America today we can see it. And know what to expect in the future. Hint, the mark is not literal. It represents a mind set and allegiance to totalitarian Antichrist laws and governments.
 
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The book by Alexander Hislop The Two Babylons.
This book has been shown to be full of errors.

And the Greeks and Romans 2000 or so years ago DID practice abortion as we know it today.

But SDAs have never been strong on historical accuracy.
 
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Salvation is God's work in us *PHILIPPIANS 2:13. We are all sinners in need of a Saviour *MATTHEW 9:12-13; ROMANS 3:10. Jesus saves us from sin not in sin *JOHN 8:31-36. If we are not born again to LOVE how can we love *JOHN 3:3-8?

Those who are born again to love abide in Christ and he in them and they do not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:3-10. Without Jesus we can do nothing but sin *John 15:1-10. Love is the fulfilling of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD and this is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31.

Faith is the victory not your own works *1 JOHN 5:4; ROMANS 3:31; EPHESIANS 2:8, but if you do not have love your faith is dead and you are still in your sins because you have rejected the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. If you are still in your sins then you do not know God and need to be born again *JAMES 2:18-20; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

All those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter the kingdom of heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son and are still in their sins *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8.

Hope this helps
 
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If you are worshipping anything but God your breaking God's Commandments *EXODUS 20:3-5. Breaking any of God's commandments is sin *JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7.

Now is it sin that is the problem or money? All through time from GENESIS to REVELATIONS God's judgments have only ever come to mankind beause of sin (breaking God's LAW). Mankind was destroyed with a flood because of sin. Sodom and Gommorah was detroyed because of sin and God's people went into exile because of sin. All of God's judgments have only ever been given to mankind because of sin (breaking any of God's commandments). JESUS says it will be the same at his 2nd coming;

LUKE 17:26-30
[26], And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27], They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
[28], Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built;
[29], But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
[30], Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Brother SIN brings the judgments of GOD not money unless your sinning by worshipping it. Either way it is sin (breaking God's commandments) that brings the judgments of God to this world and mankind will be punished for it like he always has.

God bless.
 
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No not really brother. There is a lot of misinformation in what you have posted here which is dissappointing. We will try and go through this as we progress hopefully and show what the scriptures and prophecies teach although this will take some time.
 
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