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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Oct 28, 2018.

  1. 1stcenturylady

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    I rest my case. You believe if you break one of the 10 Commandments you break them all. That WAS the case, but James was using the 10C as an example, but was actually comparing them to the Law of Liberty seeing as it is current, and the 10C are past.
     
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    It is you alone.

    Galatians 4 says to throw out the old covenant from Mt. Sinai. That doesn't sound "eternal" to me.

    30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”

    I know you believe the Mosaic laws were what was cast out, but Exodus 34:28 tells what the COVENANT was - the Ten Commandments. It was only until Jesus instituted a new way to fulfill the righteous requirements of the eternal laws of God, which the Ten Commandments could not do, holy as they were.

    The Ten Commandments represented Ishmael, the son of the carnal flesh. Isaac represented the son of promise, instituted by Jesus, Himself after He shed His blood, ratifying the New Covenant, and the availability of His SPIRIT.
     
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  3. LoveGodsWord

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    You have not made a case have you sister as you have not provided any scriptures to the posts and scriptures provided to you that disagree with you. It is God's WORD that says if we break one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin not me. You misinterpret God's WORD. Let's see why?

    What is SIN?

    NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES

    JAMES 2:8-12
    [8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
    [9], But if ye have respect to persons, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.
    [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
    [11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

    Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments saying that if we break them we commit sin v9 that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to God and LOVE to our neighbour in v11. Maybe you missed that one?

    ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

    Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that he did not know what sin was without God's 10 Commandments. SIN is breaking God's commandments and Paul uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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    1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

    John is saying the same thing as James and Paul and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context John uses v15 of MURDER as an example of sin which is God's 6th Command of the 10.

    Sin is indeed defined in God's WORD as breaking any of the 10 Commandments in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

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    SIN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT BREAKING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS (Summarized)

    God said in Genesis 4:7 to Cain when he was angry because he did not worship God in his appointed way that by doing this it was sin. Jesus say the same in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow and teachings of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God. Mankind was destroyed by a flood because of sin (Genesis 6:5-7).

    Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of sin (Genesis 18:20). Jacob knew about sin when he complained to Laben when he left with his daughters (Genesis 31:36).

    When Potiphar’s wife came to Joseph with the aim of committing adultery, Joseph knew it was sin and protested saying how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? (Genesis 39:9).

    God said that if Israel was not to make a covenant with the other nations and serve their god's it would be sin (Exodus 23:33). When Moses was delayed on the Mount with God the children of ISRAEL made an Idol and worshipped it breaking God's 1st and 2nd commandment (Exodus 20:3-5). Moses said to them after he returned, you have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; perhaps I shall make an atonement for your sin (Exodus 32:30; Deuteronomy 9:16-18). Moses said to Aaron that by making an idol for the people to worship that it was a great sin (Exodus 32:21; 30). God would punish the children of Israel for their sin of Idol worship (Exodus 32:34).

    God said to Moses in reference to breaking the 10 Commandments; Whosoever has sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book (Exodus 32:33).

    God said that if Israel was not to make a covenant with the other nations and serve their god's it would be sin (Exodus 23:33). Joshua says stealing is sin (Joshua 7:11). Achan knew when he was caught stealing that he sinned (Joshua 7:20).

    When God's people forsake God to worship other God's, they also confess that they had sinned in breaking God's commandments (Judges 10:10;15). Samuel made atonement for God's people when they wanted to return to God confessing that they had sinned after they worshipped other Gods breaking God's 1st and 2nd commandments (1 Samuel 7:5; 12:10; Exodus 20:2-5).

    King Saul wanted to kill David, but Jonathon spoke good of David saying to him no to sin against David by killing him (1 Samuel 19:4). David cut the skirt of King Saul in the cave and said to him that he could have killed him if he wanted to but did not sin against him by sparing his life (1 Samuel 24:11). King Saul replied that in wanting to kill David he had sinned (1 Samuel 26:21).

    When David became king he desired Bathsheba who was another man’s wife and organized for her husband Uriah the Hitite to be sent to the front line of battle to be killed. God sent Nathan to David and David confessed in doing this that he had sinned in breaking God's 6th and 7th Commandment (Exodus 20:13:14). David confessed that he had sinned to breaking God's LAW (1 Samuel 12:13).

    Now we can also go through all the evil Kings of Israel that sinned against God by following and worshipping other Gods which is also defined as sin in God's WORD but there would be too many scriptures (2 Kings 17:7). God testified that they served other Gods and idols sending them prophets to warn them of their sins (2 Kings 17:12-13; 16-17). We are also told that King Manasseh also broke God's 6th commandment and killed more innocent people then most others testifying that by doing this he had sinned (2 Kings 16:17). God continued to send prophets to warn his people of the consequences of sin (Nehemiah 9:30). God's people continued in their sins forsaking God's LAW (10 commandments) and in doing so God left them and Israel were overthrown and led into captivity to the other nations because they departed from God serving other God's and idols. Nehemiah knew this and prayed to God confessing their sins (Nehemiah 1:6-9). God's people continued to sin against God by worshipping other Gods despite the warning of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 44:18-23). In despite of God's Word teaching that God's people had forsaken the 10 commandments and sinned against God, going into captivity, God promised he would bring them back when they returned to him and heal them from their sins of breaking his commandments (Ezekiel 37:22-23).

    Hosea testified by the Word of the Lord that God's people by making idols and worshipping other god's, lying, stealing, killing, committing adultery would receive the judgments of God because they had sinned by departing from the 10 Commandments (Hosea 4:1-19).

    The word of the Lord came to Zephaniah saying that all those who continue in sin by worshipping other God's and breaking his commandments will be destroyed off the land because they have sinned against God (Zephaniah 1:2-17).

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    Yep God’s WORD is very clear that sin is defined as breaking ANY of the 10 Commandments just as James, Paul and John all teach in the NEW TESTAMENT (James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). All the above scriptures show by example, quoting individual commandments from the 10 Commandments that SIN is indeed also defined as breaking any of God's 10 Commandments.

    Sorry 1stcenturylady, God's WORD disagrees with you. Do you have any scriptures to share and we should believe your words over God's WORD why?
     
  4. LoveGodsWord

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    Well you have to ignore a lot of scripture to come up with that interpretation sister.

    ARE TEN COMMANDMENTS FOREVER?

    The Law of God (10 commandments) which includes the 4th commandment is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very standard of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1-17, Hebrews 8:10-12).

    God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4).

    It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it (Matthew 5:17-28). The law is the embodiment of truth that instructs (Romans 2:18-19). It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14Romans 7:22). The law is good if used properly (1 Tim 1:8), and is not opposed to the promises of God (Galatians 3:21). Faith does not make the law void, but the Christian establishes the law (Romans 3:31), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit (Romans 8:4) through love (Romans 13:10).

    You cannot know the power of God or the Gospel of Grace without the 10 commandments. If there is NO LAW then you do not know what SIN is (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). If you do not know what SIN is you have NO need of a Savior. If you have NO need of a Savior you have NO Salvation. If you have NO Salvation you are LOST because it is written.

    As shown in the previous posts your error is that you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is. If you do not know what made up the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand the NEW COVENANT that the OLD COVENANT points to? Sent only in love sister.

    1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    Sorry 1stcenturylady, God's Word disagrees with you. All I am hearing from you is your words over God's WORD so your argument is with God not me. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29; MATTHEW 15:3-9.

    May God help you as you seek him through his Word.
     
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  5. 1stcenturylady

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    I did supply scripture in that I was responding to one that you posted. Seeing as you posted it do I need to repeat the address?
     
  6. 1stcenturylady

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    ROFL

    I wrote more than you responded to. Scriptures, in fact.

    Good night.
     
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  7. LoveGodsWord

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    Here you go only telling half the story again. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT IS that the OLD COVENANT was pointing to?

    Here let's have a detailed look at the scriptures to show what the OLD COVENANT was made up of. God's WORD does not teach that the OLD COVENANT was ONLY the made up of the 10 Commandments.

    WHAT MADE UP THE OLD COVENANT?

    The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of LAWS.

    The OLD COVENANT included.....

    1. God's LAW (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone. (Exodus 20:1-17; 32:16; 32:28) God's LAW was not made by Moses it was made by God alone on two tables of stone and nothing was to be added to it (Deut 4:1-2). God commanded Moses to keep the Tables of Stone separated from the Mosaic book of the law and both were to be housed in the ARK of the Covenant (Deut 10:5; Deut 31:24-26).

    That is why God's LAW is referred to in the scriptures as God's LAW or the 10 commandments and not the 613. (Ex 34:28; Deut 4:13; Deut 10:4)

    and the part you left out of your post....

    2. The MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT spoken and written by MOSES to God's people in the BOOK of the COVENANT (Deut 31:9; 24-26; Exodus 24:3-4; 7; Col 2:14-17; Deut 29:21)

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    THE MOSAIC BOOK WAS PART OF THE OLD COVEANANT

    EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

    DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

    DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

    2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

    2 KINGS 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

    2 KINGS 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

    2 CHRONICLES 34:30 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

    2 CHRONICLES 34:31 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

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    CONCLUSION: The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of laws which included 1. GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments) and 2. The MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. Both these sets of LAWS had very different PURPOSES under the OLD Covenant. GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments) where to provide a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS. The MOSAIC BOOK of laws and ORDINANCES which included the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws were laws for the REMISSION or FORGIVENESS of sin which included the PRIEST HOOD and laws and ORDINACES for sin offerings for the SNACTUARY SERVICE. PRIESTHOOD, SACRIFICAL SIN OFFERINGS for FORGIVENESS OF SIN.

    Hope this helps. Happy to provide more scripture just let me know. Can you see your error here sister?

    Hope this helps
     
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  8. LoveGodsWord

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    Amazing have you responded to a single post and the scriptures provided in them that has been sent to you that disagree with you? Now what is it that you claim I have not responded to. I am happy to discuss it and share God's WORD with you. If you do not wish to discuss the scriptures sister just say so. You are free to believe as you wish. We all answer only to God come judgment day.
     
  9. 1stcenturylady

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    Nothing disagrees with anything I've posted. However, I do disagree with your interpretation.
     
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    Sorry 1stcenturylady, God's WORD does indeed disagree with you as shown in the scriptures from the posts on the previous page and this page that you choose to ignore and not respond to. There is a lot of scriptures that are posted that disagree with you. Does this not worry you? You are free to believe as you wish as we all answer only to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS :29
     
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    You've been posting the same thing over and over for years, and now just copy and paste them. I've responded to them in the past, you just forgot. You didn't consider my responses then, and they haven't changed.
     
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    1stcenturylady Spirit-filled follower of Christ Supporter

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    Even my post on Galatians 4. You still don't know that the Ten Commandments made up the COVENANT that is being spoken of. You twist it to only include the Mosaic laws. But 2 Corinthians 3 shows that it was those laws ENGRAVED ON STONE that is being replaced. The Mosaic laws were fulfilled. There is a difference.
     
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    Not really, I am only cutting and pasting the scriptures that disagree with your claims. You simply choose to ignore the scriptures provided. This is God's WORD not mine. You do not tell the truth. You have not responded to these posts. If you say you have please post the links. If you cannot why make claims that are not true?
     
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    This post proves only my point thanks for posting it. It shows you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is as your claim is that only God's 10 Commandments make up the OLD COVENANT when Gods WORD says the 10 Commandments are only a part of both the OLD and NEW COVENANTS. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?
     
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    ROFL Keep telling yourself that, friend. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ set us free from the law of sin and death (the Ten Commandments). They are not part of the New Covenant at all.

    You're killing me. My sides are splitting!

    Anyway, I don't expect you to ever see my interpretation, so good night. What you believe about keeping the law is better than the greasy grace crowd so my hat's off to ya mate! I'll see you in heaven as long as you keep it perfectly. I can't testify that those who turn the grace of God into licentiousness even have a chance!
     
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    No need to tell myself anything as God knows. That is why his Word has been posted here that you refuse to respond to because it disagrees with you. No one has God's Spirit while knowingly continuing to break any of God's 10 commandments. If you think that is not true you are lying to yourself as this is what the scriptures teach not me *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; HEBREWS 10:26-27. God is not mocked laughing at God's WORD is something no one should ever do as it will be the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day. *GALATIANS 6:7; JOHN 12:47-48. Those who continue in a life of unrepentant sin will not enter into the kingdom of Heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. This is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:3-10.

    May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
     
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    Here we go again. You believe just because 1 John 2:3-4 uses the word "commandments" that he is talking about the Ten Commandments. That is completely taking this verse out of context of the book for your own twisting of Scripture.

    1 John 3:23 And this is His commandments: To believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another.

    I've shown you this about John's use of the word commandment and how he uses it many times in the past. Now, if you can't grasp what it means to learn what the apostle means, then I'll leave you to your folly.
     
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    Now that is not true 1stcenturylady, All I hear again is your words over God's WORD.

    You are not considering the context that you are leaving out of what your are posting. Let's have a look at the scriptures and why it is 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is talking about the 10 commandments. The CONTEXT is the first two verses which say...

    1 JOHN 2:1-2
    [1], My little children, THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
    [2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    NOTE: The CONTEXT and reson why JOHN is writting this epistle is what? v1 THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. It goes on to say if any man sin we have an advocate with the father. This leads us into v3-4

    [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
    [4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM .

    NOTE: So the reason for JOHN'S epistle is that THAT WE SIN NOT v1. Then in v3-4 it says
    HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.
    Now notice carefully what Commandments in God's WORD are associated with sin if broken or another way of asking the same question would be what is sin because the reason why JOHN is writting his epistle is that we sin not.

    WHAT IS SIN

    JAMES 2:8-12
    [8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: [9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

    Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to our neighbor in v11

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    1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

    John is saying the same thing as James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context shortly which give the example in v15 of MURDER God's 6th Command of the 10.

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    ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

    Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (
    Exodus 20:17)

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    ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

    Context is v9; both Jew and Greek ALL under SIN, v10 None are righteous no not one, v11 None seek after God, v12 All have gone out of the way, there is none that does good [χρηστότης means MORAL excellence]. v13-18 Peace they have not known, destruction is in their way; they do not fear God. Now the CONTEXT is there is none that do GOOD which is in reference to χρηστότης MORAL excellence. Now let's look at v19-20

    ROMANS 3:19-21
    [19] Now we know that whatsoever things the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

    Context is no one does good χρηστότης MORAL excellence. God's LAW (10 Commandments) are the standard of RIGHTEOUSNESS.


    PSALMS 119:172 [172], My tongue shall speak of your word: for all your commandments are righteousness [צדק; tsedeq means; the right natural, moral or legal; also (abstractly) equity or (figuratively) prosperity: - X even, (X that which is altogether) just (-ice), ([un-]) right (-eous) (cause, -ly, -ness)].

    RIGHTEOUSNESS צדק; tsedeq in God's LAW is the standard of χρηστότης; MORAL excellence

    The CONTEXT then is doing GOOD in reference to God's LAW (10 Commandments) v19 that is defines SIN and makes all the world guilty before GOD.

    [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    No one is justified by God's LAW which is the standard of RIGHTEOUSNESS [Moral excellence and Good] because if broken it gives us a KNOWLEDGE of sin. Already defined in James as breaking any of God's 10 Commandments.

    [21], But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

    God's LAW is the standard of RIGHTOEUSNESS (
    Psalms 119:172) MORAL EXCELLENCE standard of what is GOOD. The RIGHTOUENESS of GOD outside of the LAW being witnessed by the LAW and the prophets v22 which is by FAITH in Christ; WHY? v23 because ALL HAVE SINNED broken God's LAW. v24-28 we are only made righteous by faith in Christ without the deeds of the law. v31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

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    CONCLUSION: PAUL, JAMES and JOHN all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN. All three use example of breaking the 10 Commandments as what defines sin. The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 tells us that the reason for JOHNS epistle in v1 is THAT WE SIN NOT. God's WORD defines SIN as BREAKING any of God's 10 Commandments. Therefore with CONTEXT added back in the commandments JOHN is referring to that we SIN (breaking God's 10 commandments) is the 10 Commandments.


    Can you see your error here now sister?

    PS. Which ever way you want to spin it, if you want to say it's love or believing in Jesus I can still show you that everything leads back to OBEDIENCE to God's 10 commandments through faith in God's WORD. If your interested just ask me to show you the scriptures.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  19. sparow

    sparow Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I agree with the SDA on many points; much of my disagreement would come under the heading of semantics. The Pope is not a beast, Rome is. Rome is greater than the Catholic Church. The beast that is significant is the one with the gold head, silver chest, bronze middle and iron legs; this is the beast that Christ will destroy; Rome is the legs or transport system. The SDA has previously taught that the US is the two horned beast; I believe the two horned beast is greater than the US and is not defined by National borders; more likely defined by Masonic symbols. The two horns are more likely the two party system, democrats and Republicans, conservatives and socialist; the adversary legal systems. The false prophet I would guess is the UN, the authority behind climate change, sexuality, and political correctness.

    The lottery concept is good for explain many things; the Sabbath, (the seal of God), is a winning ticket; the loosing tickets are a set of which sunday is a subset; notice I used a small "s", not very important.
     
  20. LoveGodsWord

    LoveGodsWord Well-Known Member

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    Apologies this was previously a response to the wrong person. DELETED
     
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