ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

Saint Steven said:

Sunday is not the mark of the Beast.

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Based on the way that you posted this statement are you willing to bet your eternal life on it being true?

You appear to categorically reject the possibility that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast after it has been enforced by law.

Please share with us how you arrived at this conclusion.

Satan has a counterfiet for every Biblical Truth

Remember the mark of the beast it is all about worship.

Revelation 5:14
And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Revelation 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Saint Steven said:

17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

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"which is the name of the beast"

Where did you quote this from?

This below is from the scripture you listed in your post
Note the word "which" is not in the text below.
16 And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; 17 and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, [even] the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Saint Steven said:

This only applies to the creation of Adam. Were you created that way? (nope) What do you make of this?

1 Thessalonians 5:23
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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The Greek below
◄ 1 Thessalonians 5:23 ►
Text Analysis

4151 [e] πνεῦμα
pneuma spirit N-N

Pneuma - Wikipedia
Pneuma - WikipediaPneuma (πνεῦμα) is an ancient Greek word for "breath",

Lost4words said:

The beast. Yes, that was Nero. Revelation was written for those of the generation of the Apostles.

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Nero committed suicide in June of 68 AD. The Beast and False prophet are captured and thrown alive in the Lake of Fire Revelation 19:20. Nero did not sit in the temple claiming to be God 2 Thessalonians 2: 4. Nero did not have a "fatal head wound that was healed" Revelation 13 nor did his False prophet set up a image that speaks

Berean Tim said:

Nero committed suicide in June of 68 AD. The Beast and False prophet are captured and thrown alive in the Lake of Fire Revelation 19:20. Nero did not sit in the temple claiming to be God 2 Thessalonians 2: 4. Nero did not have a "fatal head wound that was healed" Revelation 13 nor did his False prophet set up a image that speaks

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In the New Covenant Christendom (individual believers) are God's temple. And John said there were many Antichrists in his day. But the Man of Sin is also an Antichrist. And beginning in the tenth century and culminating in the French Revolution, Protestants and others perceived him to be the Papacy. Many seeing the deadly wound healed when the Vatican returned to Statehood in 1929. Calvin and Luther both believed Islam would come to the forefront.

@Saint Steven

Where did you quote this from?

Never Mind I found it
(By changing "OR" to "WHICH IS", the NIV invented a new doctrine - that "666" is the mark of the beast. But contrary to this, the Biblical text refers to three distinct things:

• 1) the mark of the beast,
• 2) the name of the beast,
• 3) the number of the beast's name, which is six hundred sixty six - not "6-6-6".

This means that the mark of the beast and the number of the beast's name are two different things! Sadly, deceived Christians won't be looking for it because they think 6-6-6 is the mark.)

Westcott and Hort's Greek New Testament is the "source text" for today's modern Bible versions. You should examine what Westcott and Hort actually believed.
NIV derived from Westcott and Hort translation followers of Darwin.

4 - The Church and Textual Darwinism: How Did It Happen?
It is no mere coincidence that Westcott and Hort were both Darwinists themselves, and acknowledged Darwin's influence on their outlook. The strong influence of the naturalistic worldview permeates the work of Westcott, Hort, and their subsequent followers. The parallels with Darwin's theory of evolution are many. Let me mention just two at this point.

Just as Darwin developed and employed contrived evolutionary genealogies of man and animals, asserting un-provable and easily discredited sequences of events, Westcott and Hort developed and employed a contrived genealogy of the text of the Greek New Testament. Among other falsehoods, they asserted that a major revision of the authentic text took place in the fourth century A.D., when in fact even present-day followers of Westcott and Hort acknowledge that no such revision occurred.

Just as Darwin and his close friend Charles Lyell (1797-1875) developed and promoted the theory of the geological column to artificially classify earth evidences to fit a theory of long ages of evolution, Westcott and Hort developed and promoted a theory of the artificial classification of Biblical manuscript evidence into "text families" to fit a theory of the development of what they deceptively called the "better" manuscripts.

Read more and learn

klutedavid said:

Forgot about that subset of people.

Just a question on that paragraph above.

If the mark of the beast is at the time of the end. These folk who remain loyal to Jesus and do not take the mark. These folk are with Christ for a thousand years as the verse states.

Then how is it possible for Satan to, after this one thousand year reign, then deceive the nations.

Is the mark issued one thousand years before Armageddon?

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Some of those who stay loyal to Christ will be martyred. You can read the letters to the seven churches (Revelation 2 and 3) to see what type of Christian will have to be tested through martyrdom (starting with Thyatira, which is the RCC and Orthodox denominations, then Sardis which is the Reformation, then Philadelphia which are the Bible keeping churches, and last Laodecia which is this last age of nominal Christians). The Philadelphian type will be kept from that testing, I assume just as the children of Israel were kept from the plagues during Egypt and will be alive and remain to see the second coming.

Those who take the mark of the beast will not be martyred and will be alive. They will make up the nations that will be ruled by Christ without Satan. Then Satan will be released after the 1000 years and take charge of those nations along with those in the second resurrection who were not saved while alive.

(My own interpretation is that those Christians who have died before us and before the second coming that have never been martyred at any time since the beginning may also be in the second resurrection and will not have ruled with Christ during the 1000 years, but their names will be among those in the Book of Life, while all the unsaved will not be written there as their names have been blotted out. You may ask about the apostle John seeing as it is thought he was not martyred. I believe he will reign as he is probably one of the 24 elders. This is just my opinion based on the book of Revelation only and it is not written in chronological order but in a series of visions. Remember, also that the letters were written to many who were eventually martyred, as they were in heavy persecution, so it may have been assumed they would reign with Christ. Again, just my opinion and logic.)

Then the saved and the unsaved will fight in Armageddon, and Christ's army will win. Then a new heaven and new earth.

Saint Steven said:

Why do you keep using the word fiction? Rapture doctrine is not based on a movie.
The other way around.

Do I need to repeat myself? The Pretribulation rapture is not a replacement for the Second Coming. It happens, AS THE NAME INDICATES before the tribulation seven years. The Great Tribulation speaks of the second half of the Tribulation. (did you know that?) With the Abomination of Desolation marking the beginning of the Great Tribulation. The Second Coming occurs at the end of the seven year Tribulation. I don't need to be schooled in eschatology by you. (or the SDA)

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Don't be angry, I hope you are right! I really, really, do. But I still have to go by what it says and be ready and willing to be martyred if it comes to that. Are you? If you think you will never have to face taking a mark in order to buy and sell, that you won't even be here having been raptured, you may set yourself up for failure, and unwittingly take THE mark, not recognizing the possibility. Just be prepared, one way or the other. Just because I believe we will be here doesn't prevent me from going in a pre-trib rapture if one exists. It will be "gravy." Believe, me I would love that.

I assume you are referencing Daniel 9:24-27. I agree in your interpretation. I also believe verse 27 is the last 7 years, with the last half as the GT. What we disagree on is who is on earth. You believe the Church leaves. I believe the Jews of the last 7 years must first come into the Church and will be here to see the second coming. Can you provide scripture to the contrary. First read my statement to Kluke above and answer anything you don't agree with.

One thing I would like your interpretation of is in Revelation 12. It shows that the Jews during the first 3 1/2 years are protected, but the dragon goes after "the rest of (the woman's) offspring." Who are they if not Christians? I believe they are not Gentiles based on Romans 11. The fullness of the Gentiles coming into the Church will have ended at the beginning of the last 7 years. So these are not new Gentile converts. I see it as those Christians in weak churches that are unlearned regarding the Word of God. They will have to "stand up and be counted." Revelation 7 speaks of those who "come out of" the GT. But it doesn't say they are saved "during" the GT. (Other than the Jews). I see them as those of the 7 churches who have to be tested. Also note they already have robes, so are not "naked" and unsaved. But they need to wash the robes they already have in the blood of the Lamb to make them white.

16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

BTW, if you know anything about SDA eschatology, you will know my interpretation is NOT theirs. (Not all post-trib believers are SDA. Jim Bakker is post trib for example.) They believe only SDA's and other Sabbatarians will be persecuted during the GT, by Sunday worshipers. That Sunday is the mark of the beast. I have never believed that.

Saint Steven said:

No judgment, just straight to hell? Wow. Not a secret? If it's unexpected, how can it not be a secret? No prior knowledge would be secret.

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Of course there is a judgment. But, you must admit hell is the final outcome.

Not sure what you are going on about that the unsaved may not have any prior knowledge to the second coming of Christ, especially atheists!

Taking a mark to buy and sell. Where is that in the Bible exactly?

Lost4words said:

Taking a mark to buy and sell. Where is that in the Bible exactly?

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Revelation 13:17-18
and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Thanks. Still looks like Nero to me!

Lost4words said:

Thanks. Still looks like Nero to me!

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Just remember that Matthew 24 and Luke 21 are speaking of both the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D./Nero, but ALSO the second coming of Christ. There are two questions, not just one. 1 John was written after the temple and speaks of the antichrist, so it is future. Nero and Antiochus Epiphanes IV were both foreshadows of the real Antichrist.

1stcenturylady said:

Just remember that Matthew 24 and Luke 21 are speaking of both the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D./Nero, but ALSO the second coming of Christ. There are two questions, not just one. 1 John was written after the temple and speaks of the antichrist, so it is future. Nero and Antiochus Epiphanes IV were both foreshadows of the real Antichrist.

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Some scholars believe John was written much earlier!

Lost4words said:

Some scholars believe John was written much earlier!

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It is an Preterist assumption only. John was on the Isle of Patmos during the reign of Domitian who didn't reign until 81 AD - 96 AD, eleven years after the temple was destroyed. He was released and went to Ephesus where he wrote 1 John to his congregation there.

Topography and the Revelation
(Topography: the study of the detailed mapping or charting of the features of a relatively small area, district, or locality.)

• Joh 5:2 KJV Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
  

Most theologians assign all John's writings to AD 90-95. If scriptural evidence for a pre-AD 70 date were available, academic credibility would be seriously in question. Topography provides an irrefutable argument for the pre-AD 70 date of John's Gospel.

John told of a pool by the sheep gate called ‘Bethesda, having five porches’. This is a significant statement because the destruction of the porches took place in AD 70.

In John 5:2, John clearly stipulated ‘there is at Jerusalem’ not ‘there was at Jerusalem’. If he had written his Gospel in AD 95 he would not have used the present tense, therefore, John must have written prior to AD 70. See C H Dodd’s Historical Tradition In The Fourth Gospel, for further study along this line.

Source: The Book of Revelation Was Written Before AD 70

A Quote from Robert Young's Concise Commentary on the Holy Bible (1865)
Introduction to The Revelation

'It was written in Patmos (about A.D. 68), whither John had been banished by Domitius Nero, as stated in the title of the Syriac Version of the Book; and with this concurs the express statement of Irenaeus (A.D. 175), who says it happened in the reign of Domitianou, i.e. Domitius (Nero). Sulpicius Severus, Orosius, &c., stupidly mistaking Domitianou for Domitianikos, supposed Irenaeus to refer to Domitian, A.D. 95, and most succeeding writers have fallen into the same blunder. The internal testimony is wholly in favour of the earlier date. The temple at Jerusalem was still standing (ch. 11.1-10); the exact duration of the siege is foretold, viz., 42 months, 31/2 years, or 1260 days; the two witnesses are to be slain in the city where our Lord was crucified; Nero was reigning at the time, for it is said of the seven kings of Rome; 'five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.' The five kings are Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius. The 'one who is ' is Nero; the one who 'must continue for a short space' is Galba, who reigned only seven months. Everywhere the events are 'to come quickly,' lit. 'with haste,' or speed (ch. 1.1; 2.16; 3.11; 11.14; 22.7, 12, 20). The escape of the Christian Jews from Jerusalem to Pella is undoubtedly referred to in ch. 7.1-8, compared with Mat. 24.30.'

John's Demise and the Revelation

• Joh 21:22 KJV Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
  

Not only is there conflict of opinion over the dating of the Revelation, the year of John’s demise is also open to question.

'If I will that he tarry till I come' Many Futurist scholars misrepresent John 21:22 in a vain attempt to support their view that John lived into old age and wrote the Revelation in AD 95. If Jesus has not yet returned and John has died, then Jesus' prediction failed.

• Mar 10:37-39 KJV They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory. 38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? 39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:
  

'Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of' Jesus in His reply to James and John explicitly predicted their martyrdom. Did Jesus get it wrong? Of course He didn't. Personally, I believe it is reasonable to suggest John did not live to old age, but suffered martyrdom during the 'great tribulation' prior to AD 70.

Lost4words said:

Thanks. Still looks like Nero to me!

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Please select one from the two options below.

1) Partial Preterism is generally considered to be a historic orthodox interpretation as it affirms all eschatological points of the ecumenical Creeds of the Church. Some partial Preterists may believe that the Antichrist, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord were not historically fulfilled. (wikipedia)

2) Full Preterism differs from partial Preterism in that full Preterists believe that the destruction of Jerusalem fulfilled all eschatological or "end times" events, including the resurrection of the dead and Jesus' Second Coming, or Parousia, and the Final Judgment. (wikipedia)

Lost4words said:

Topography and the Revelation
(Topography: the study of the detailed mapping or charting of the features of a relatively small area, district, or locality.)

• Joh 5:2 KJV Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.

Most theologians assign all John's writings to AD 90-95. If scriptural evidence for a pre-AD 70 date were available, academic credibility would be seriously in question. Topography provides an irrefutable argument for the pre-AD 70 date of John's Gospel.

John told of a pool by the sheep gate called ‘Bethesda, having five porches’. This is a significant statement because the destruction of the porches took place in AD 70.

In John 5:2, John clearly stipulated ‘there is at Jerusalem’ not ‘there was at Jerusalem’. If he had written his Gospel in AD 95 he would not have used the present tense, therefore, John must have written prior to AD 70. See C H Dodd’s Historical Tradition In The Fourth Gospel, for further study along this line.

Source: The Book of Revelation Was Written Before AD 70

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The problem with this point is that the Gospel of John is an historical account. John is writing in the past tense, what has already happened, not the present tense.