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I never said it was. Did you have anything to share in relation to the OP here David?
So, who will be your antichrist then?
Hello brother, the Antichrist was not the focus of this OP. However we may touch on it latter if we get some time as it is a full study in itself but if you want to go to the link in the OP there is a section on it there if you cannot wait.
I know who the sda 'think' will be the antichrist.
Yes , I believe the dead in Christ since Pentacost will resurrect before present believers are removed to meet the Lord in the air/clouds which is not to be confused with the Second Coming.Do you at least agree with what Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 about the resurrection and then the rapture happening at the coming of the Lord?
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15
JLB
I understand that there is some conflicts among believers as to when the rapture will take place, and if the church will go through the tribulation...Yes, the Church WILL be here during the Tribulation.
Those waiting for pre-trib rapture will be among the first to worship Antichrist.
I never stated that.So you don’t believe Abraham or Noah or Job or folks like that who walked in the righteousness of faith with the Lord, will be resurrected with the saints?
How did you arrive at that conclusion?
JLB
Amen brother!I understand that there is some conflicts among believers as to when the rapture will take place, and if the church will go through the tribulation...
I have no trouble with that.
What I do take issue with is when someone says that I, being a pre trib believer, will be of the first to take the mark..
Now, how on earth, do you believe that if I am so aware of the fact that there is a mark..and that those that take it cannot have salvation, and I expect to be raptured before it's implementation,... that I will be ignorant enough to take the mark?
There is absolutely no connection between the two...
I believe that I will be taken out of this time... However, if I am not, I'm certainly not going to take a mark that is issued so that I can buy or sell..... I mean seriously.... Anyone that knows enough about end times that they can argue for or against the pre, mid or post trib views.... is not going to bow to the beast....
This is just plain faulty logic and actually insult.
In using the interpretations that are not my own, but the Spirit that has led many to produce many varied editions of scriptures to further advance the gospel, some translations propose that Jesus said he would be with us until the end of this AGE. Like as in ERA in reference to the kingdom which now exists on earth. We are in this era, this age of which scriptures refers.
This GREAT TRIBULATION....is it not the tribulation of your life???? What other great tribulation is there except your own life? The churches in Revelation, are they not all the body of Christ?? And being so, as the body is ONE, simplified as the individual, are they not reflections of the individual in his spiritual walk? How we fall away and come back to the Lord time and time again but in different fashions according to the sins which beset us?
In focusing on God and his word, it is evident that the beast, this antichrist, already is in the world as scriptures state. The struggles we face are against not flesh and blood, but against wickedness in high places... A world that promotes abortion, gun carrying, violence, rap, money, and lies to you about it saying that your vote counts? When they tell you what to think and make you conform to what they want. Then on Sunday you go to church and the preacher reads the word and it says of Christ the exact opposite of how the world is currently working and everyone says "amen". The world and Christ are different ends of the spectrum. Then they leave and out the other ear it goes and they go back to being conformists and idolizers, liars, haters, laden with sin and seeking after pleasure rather than God. Those who love darkness rather than light. So you see who the world represents.
Because for all "holy interpretation", people seem to always add an "S" to the title of said book "Revelation" , when there never has been one.
Imagine you are John.
Looking up at a night sky, searching for God out of the darkest prison you have been in of your life, whether physically, spiritually, mentally. Here we find John drawing near to God, and God draws near to him. Reveals himself to him. Shows him a picture of heaven and the world to come. What would John do with such information? If there was no tribulation he were to go through personally, why would God choose John??? Not to tell you 2000 years later about how to call out evil doers. But to identify the things that infiltrate your heart. Because the Word if anything is God calling out to us. And speaks directly to it. It calls you out. Every word of God was written because God spoke through someone's heart. It is personal. David and Psalm 151 about Bath-sheba and his loss of joy, his guilt...was personal. So it was with John and Revelation. Every church in Revelation, John had belonged to at one point or another. Every church in Revelation, every Christian I know (myself included), have belonged or will belong to. It's called spiritual growth.
If you think you get a free pass somehow on some big nasties in the Bible because you got Jesus on your side, you got another thing coming. Having Jesus means he will go through it with you. Not having Jesus means you will go through it alone. I have no idea how some people are so afraid of their own faith... You do realize that the Bible says some will be beheaded for being Christians? And that it will have a reward for it? Yet somehow this world has told you and beat it into your head that to lose your life for Christ is bad.
When the shooters in churches cause Christians to carry guns into church for defense.....Like what exactly do we preach around here? Do we preach shoot the criminal? Or do we preach what the Bible says and God has our back, regardless if we lose this physical life or not? See the World is twisting your mind. Most lack conviction to see their faith through. Hence spiritual growth. Most Christians never fully mature in this respect.
What do you make of this? (no secret rapture?) Isn't that SDA doctrine?
Matthew 24:40-42
Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.
Luke 17:33-35
Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”
Is this "spirit pool" doctrine? (or whatever it is called)
Where God had all the spirits, or as part of his Spirit then released them into the world that they would return to his spirit in the end?
That's not fair treatment.
It's not as if Rapture doctrine is unheard of.
Why should this poster need to present a case to you that is already common knowledge?
It's not a black and white issue. There is room for differing views. Making it a B+W issue is divisive.Common true knowledge, or common false knowledge. What does the Bible actually say? That is the test for truth.
There it is. The term "secret rapture" is SDA all the way.I guess not, as I'm not familiar with what you are describing. Paul said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. We know our body is in the ground because we put them there, so what could go to the Father, but our spirit. Paul also said that when Jesus returns He will bring with Him the dead Christians. Not to be confused with the theory that Jesus returns with the live Christians from some secret rapture. There is no mention of the living being in heaven waiting for the second coming. Only the dead.
1 Thessalonians 4:
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
There it is. The term "secret rapture" is SDA all the way.
Yes , I believe the dead in Christ since Pentacost will resurrect before present believers are removed to meet the Lord in the air/clouds which is not to be confused with the Second Coming.
This event deals primarily with the Church.
Now in verse 52 it states many (not all) arose (resurrected). Who? The saints (many , BUT not ALL)
* Now regarding a collective resurrection of the saints (many label these as the Jerusalem saints) this appears to be the first of the "first resurrection " which happens in stages.
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