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Thursday, May 4, 2017, 2:00 a.m. – The Lord Jesus put in mind the song “Were You There?” Speak, Lord, your words to my heart. I read John 15:18-25 (ESV).

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours. But all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. Whoever hates me hates my Father also. If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin, but now they have seen and hated both me and my Father. But the word that is written in their Law must be fulfilled: ‘They hated me without a cause.’”

If the World Hates You

Does the world hate you, or does it love you? So many people think that the mark of a good Christian is that he or she is loved and admired by everyone. But, is that true? It could be absolutely the opposite. People could love you, not because you are a true follower of Christ, but because you don’t make waves, and you fit in with the world, and you blend in with society, and because you are more of a people pleaser rather than a God pleaser. You say what you know people want to hear, rather than what they need to hear. You want to be liked by people more than you want to be approved by God. And, so you say what you know will get you liked, more than you will say what will lead people to genuine faith in Jesus Christ.

But, Jesus said that if you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but he chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. So, what do we take away from this? Does this describe us? You? Me? If so, which part?

The phrase “the world” is not speaking of human beings, who we are to love, but rather of the things (stuff, possessions), attitudes, values, principles, culture, behaviors and philosophies of the world of sin. So, what does it mean to be “of the world”? To be of the world means we belong to the world, that we are participants of what the world is offering us. It means we adopt into our lives the attitudes, values, behaviors, etc. of the world of sin. There is not much of a distinction between us, who call ourselves Christians, and those who make no claims to faith in Christ at all. And, that is a very sad reality, but it is where a lot of people are, who claim Christ as Savior.

But, Jesus called us out of the world, meaning we are to be separate from (different, unlike) the world of sin. This is what it means to be holy. We are not supposed to adopt the ways of the world, or to join with them in their revelries (unruly, ungodly, idolatrous, immoral living) and their debauchery (wickedness, depravity). If we are born again believers in Jesus Christ, Jesus delivered us out from bondage (addiction) to sin and from the power (control) Satan had over our lives, and he freed us to walk (in lifestyle) in his righteousness (purity, morality, honesty, etc.). So, we are to be those who practice righteousness, i.e. what is approved in the eyes of the Lord.

So, if we truly have come out of the world, and the lives we are now living are clearly separate from the world, including from the worldliness existing within the church, and if we are now walking in the Spirit, and not according to the flesh, we should be hated by those who are still one with the world, whether they claim to be Christians or not. This means we will even be hated by pastors, elders, deacons, Sunday school teachers, small group leaders and members of churches who are still of the world. They will reject us, speak evil against us, cast us aside, tell us we “don’t fit,” and that we need to go “someplace else.” If we are not hated, though, and everyone loves us, then maybe we should ask ourselves and the Lord why this is so.

Jesus, Our Example

Who were Jesus’ greatest persecutors? They were the religious leaders in God’s temple. And, why did they hate Jesus? Because he didn’t fit, either. He wasn’t like them. He was different. He was separate. He didn’t blend in. He didn’t belong, because he was like his Father. And, he did say what people NEEDED to hear rather than what they WANTED to hear. And, they didn’t like it, because they wanted to continue living like they were. Jesus walked in holiness and righteousness, and that was an offense to the hypocritical religious leaders in the temple, who looked good on the outside, for everyone’s approval, but who were living wickedly behind closed doors.

So, if the world or the worldly church hates us, we are to know that they hated Jesus first, so we are in good company. If they persecuted Jesus, which is what they did, then we should expect to be persecuted, too, if we are walking in his holiness, and if we are not of the world. Yet, if they listened to Jesus, and if they kept his words, and we are preaching (teaching) his words (his truths), then they should listen to us, too. Yet, when we are persecuted, if we are being persecuted for righteousness’ sake, then we should be comforted with knowing this is happening to us on account of the name of Jesus and on account of the gospel of our salvation.

Guilty of Sin

The Bible teaches us that all have sinned and have come up short of attaining God’s divine approval (Ro. 3:23). It says that when we are born into this world, we are born with sin natures, and that we are under the curse of death because of our sin (Gal. 3:10-13; Ro. 8:2). It also says that God has revealed himself to all humankind through his created works, so that no one has an excuse for not worshiping, honoring and obeying God (Ro. 1:18-32). So, apart from faith in Jesus Christ, through which he forgives, purifies and delivers us from slavery to sin, and sets us free from the law of sin and death, we are all declared guilty of sin.

So, when Jesus stated that, if he had not come, and if he had not spoken to the Jews, in particular, that they would not have been guilty of sin, he was speaking specifically of the sins of the rejection of himself and of their hatred and persecution of him, I believe. But, now that they knew the truth, for he had revealed himself to them, and he had revealed to them the truth of the gospel, they were without excuse. Not only did they hate and reject and persecute him, but they, by proxy, also hated God the Father.

So it is with us today, I believe. We who have been given much, of us much will be required (Luke 12:48). We are accountable for what knowledge we have been given. We, in America, in particular, have been so blessed with so much, not just materially, but with much spiritually, too. We have open and free access to Bibles, Bible study materials, devotionals, sermons, hymns, spiritual songs, and Bible studies, etc. Not everything which is available is of God, though, nor does it all honor God or teach the truth, so we must be very discerning. Yet, we have been very blessed, and thus we are responsible for what we have been given, and for what we have been taught, so that we are without excuse if we do not adhere to what we know.

Yet, God’s Word must be fulfilled. Even though the Jews had no excuse for their sin of rejection of Jesus as their Messiah, it was the will of God that Jesus should suffer and die for our sins. His Word had to be fulfilled which stated that Jesus would be hated without a cause. And, his Word also says that we, too, will be hated and persecuted as he was, so this, too, must be fulfilled. We, if we are walking in his righteousness and holiness, and we are living separate from the world of sin, will also be hated without a cause. People will hate us just because of what we stand for, and because our lifestyles stand in stark contrast to theirs, and so they will find offense in us and in the way in which we choose to live our lives. And, many will hate and persecute us and even put us to death because we follow Jesus Christ.

Were You There? / An American Spiritual / 1899

Were you there when they crucified my Lord?
Were you there when they crucified my Lord?
Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble.
Were you there when they crucified my Lord?

Were you there when they nailed him to the tree?
Were you there when they nailed him to the tree?
Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble.
Were you there when they nailed him to the tree?

Were you there when they laid him in the tomb?
Were you there when they laid him in the tomb?
Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble.
Were you there when they laid him in the tomb?

Were you there when God raised him from the tomb?
Were you there when God raised him from the tomb?
Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble.
Were you there when God raised him from the tomb?

 

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John 15: 17This is My command to you: Love one another. 18If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first. 19If you were of the world, it would love you as its own. Instead, the world hates you, because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.…

That hatred would be directed towards Christians as long as they truly remained apart from the world and its politics, wars, and worship. This is evidenced by the many intense persecutions that Christians were forced to endure initially at the hands of the Roman Empire when they refused merge with the rest of the Empire's population in doing as the world expected and demanded. However, once the former Christians began to merge with the world as it was foretold they would eventually do via prophecies concerning the great Apostasy-then the world no longer had any reason to hate them.

That is the situation that still exists today in reference to many who are called Christians in name only but are otherwise indistinguishable from those who are of the world.

Matt 7:22
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’…
 
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Jesus didn't teach us how to be hated.
He taught us how to be lovable.
He taught us how to be loveable? Even I suspect this is not Biblical nor true for that matter.
 
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He taught us how to be loveable? Even I suspect this is not Biblical nor true for that matter.

Why not?
The two greatest commandments in the Bible are Love God and Love thy Neighbor.

Everybody knows that love is lovable.
So if we follow the two greatest commandments, we'll be lovable.

It works.
 
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That hatred would be directed towards Christians as long as they truly remained apart from the world and its politics, wars, and worship. This is evidenced by the many intense persecutions that Christians were forced to endure initially at the hands of the Roman Empire when they refused merge with the rest of the Empire's population in doing as the world expected and demanded. However, once the former Christians began to merge with the world as it was foretold they would eventually do via prophecies concerning the great Apostasy-then the world no longer had any reason to hate them.

That is the situation that still exists today in reference to many who are called Christians in name only but are otherwise indistinguishable from those who are of the world.

Thank you. That is so true!
 
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I don't get this.

People don't hate other people for being GOOD.

Jesus didn't teach us how to be hated.
He taught us how to be lovable.

Well, actually, they hated Jesus, and he was ABSOLUTE GOOD. He was perfect, sinless. Yet, they hated him so much that they trumped up charges against him and then crucified him on a cross, as though he was a common criminal. And, he taught us that we would be hated as he was hated, and because we are righteous, and because we are walking with him, and because we are imitating him in how we live, and because we are sharing the truth of the gospel of our salvation and there are people who don't want to hear it.

So, he did teach us how to be hated. Absolutely he did this. That is what this passage of scripture and others like it teach. These were Jesus' words. Yet, he taught us how to love others, and how to love our enemies (those who hate us): “But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you” (Lu. 6:27-28). And, he taught us how to be holy, godly, righteous, pure, honest, trustworthy, etc. But, I am not certain he taught us how to be loveable, i.e. how to be liked by others other than in the context of holiness, righteousness, honesty, etc., which is no guarantee we will be liked, but more likely that we won't be liked by the majority.
 
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Why not?
The two greatest commandments in the Bible are Love God and Love thy Neighbor.

Everybody knows that love is lovable.
So if we follow the two greatest commandments, we'll be lovable.

It works.

You have to understand that "love" here is "agape" love, which prefers what God prefers. We are to prefer him above all else, “choosing his choices and obeying them through his power; actively doing what the Lord prefers, by his power and direction” (biblehub.com). It means to love others as God loves us, and according to his divine will and purpose. Since this love prefers what God prefers, it is not going to include anything that is against God and against his Word. In other words, we don’t love people by telling them lies to make them feel good, or so that they will like us. We speak the truth in love. And, sometimes that gets us hated, like they hated Jesus. Jesus IS LOVE and yet not many loved him. The majority hated him and put him to death.
 
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I'm kinda hated because I never check my facebook, I don't participate in church and I remained single and childless at the late age of 35.

I am sorry you were hated for these things. It is a terrible thing to be hated.
 
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2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”

17 Therefore

“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”

7:1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
 
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I don't get this.

People don't hate other people for being GOOD.

Jesus didn't teach us how to be hated.
He taught us how to be lovable.
What one person considers good another might consider evil. Early Christians were deemed haters of mankind because of their separation from the world. They wee also viewed as irreverent because they didn't honor all the gods.
 
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What one person considers good another might consider evil. Early Christians were deemed haters of mankind because of their separation from the world. They wee also viewed as irreverent because they didn't honor all the gods.

Would you do me a favor and quote me some verses which say or which imply this? I do believe this is definitely true today, but I am not connecting your comments with any particular scriptures. So, thanks for whatever you can supply.
 
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I don't get this.

People don't hate other people for being GOOD.

Jesus didn't teach us how to be hated.
He taught us how to be lovable.

I understand what you’re saying. And to someone who views the world through the lens of love it makes perfect sense. But not everyone has this lens. Go stand on a street corner with a sign quoting John 3:16 (“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”). See how many people yell at you, spit at you, or throw things at you. Not everyone responds to love with love. Trust me; I have the scars to prove it.
 
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Would you do me a favor and quote me some verses which say or which imply this? I do believe this is definitely true today, but I am not connecting your comments with any particular scriptures. So, thanks for whatever you can supply.
Here are some scriptures that are relevant to the subject:

The phenomenon of seeing good as evil is mentioned in the following scriptures:

Isaiah 5:20
New International Version
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

Proverbs 17:15
He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD.

Jesus warned his followers that their good deeds would be perceived as evil and they would be persecuted because of it:

John 16:2
New International Version
They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God.

Matthew 24:9
Then they will hand you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations on account of My name.

Luke 6:22
Blessed are you when people hate you, and when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil because of the Son of Man.

Also, note that the Apostle Paul, once called Saul, considered Christians criminals and blasphemers and persecuted them before he himself was converted.

Acts 8:3
New International Version
But Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off both men and women and put them in prison.
 
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See how many people yell at you, spit at you, or throw things at you. Not everyone responds to love with love. Trust me; I have the scars to prove it.
Amein.
As written Jesus Words: "such irony, taking such (pure) (true) love to others, then they respond with so much violence and hatred..."
paraphrased from Hebrew... (and greek)....
 
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Does the world hate you, or does it love you? So many people think that the mark of a good Christian is that he or she is loved and admired by everyone. But, is that true? It could be absolutely the opposite.

Wow, Sister. Timely word. Yesterday was probably my toughest day at this website so far. Was working two threads simultaneously where every position I took was being attacked, and relentlessly. And it is a spirit of Hate, though those being used like that are probably not willing to recognize it as such...

But it is the truth that they hated in Jesus, and it is the truth they hate in us, whether they are people in the world or people being used by the Devil as believers. But it is a sure sign that you are following Christ when you are simply speaking the truth in love and yet constantly being vilified. To not be hated is, as you say, probably a real sure sign you're not doing much for the kingdom just yet.

Thank you again for your ministry, Christ's Servant. I don't read every single one, but when I'm led to they are usually dead on.

God Bless you in the love of the Lord Jesus Christ,
Your friend as always,
HiH
 
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Was working two threads simultaneously where every position I took was being attacked, and relentlessly. And it is a spirit of Hate, though those being used like that are probably not willing to recognize it as such...

Yeah, I had to walk away from that thread too. There's definitely something odd going on there, but I'm not exactly sure what it is.
 
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