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So we must do a certain amount of good thing or not do a certain amount of bad things before he will forgive us?
Yes, if you are talking about what your god says about good works by nonbelievers. You haven't said what you consider an act of kindness to you by a nonbeliever to be. Do you consider it to be what your god says it is, or do you think your god is wrong?
Well Carl, you are the one who is forever going on about how people need to have the spirit dwelling in them to understand things, and I know you are not talking about Jack Daniels.I didnt say that...
Phil 2:13
it is God who is at work in you, both to desire and to work for His good pleasure.
That does not answer my question. Why can God not forgive us without punishment? You and I can do that for others.Because Romans 2 says so.
I never said I could. But if we need to repent to be saved then it is not a free gift is it? Also, the free gift is eternal life with Jesus, not grace:If you view repentance as a work then yes. Can you provide one single example of a person who was saved in the scriptures who didn’t repent? No, you can’t.
I cannot do this without doing work.Repentance is not about works, repentance is turning away from sin and towards God. It is a state of mind or heart, more of an affection towards God not a series of actions.
Well Carl, you are the one who is forever going on about how people need to have the spirit dwelling in them to understand things, and I know you are not talking about Jack Daniels.
Again I ask you. Why do you need an outside agency to motivate you to do good works. Why can't you see what is needed and do it, all by your little old self?
You are still giving the impression that your good works are not so much to try and benefit those in need, but more to please your god.
You will know when your heart changesOkay. I'll keep doing nothing.
Now your getting it.Okay. I'll keep doing nothing.
That does not answer my question. Why can God not forgive us without punishment? You and I can do that for others.
I never said I could. But if we need to repent to be saved then it is not a free gift is it? Also, the free gift is eternal life with Jesus, not grace:
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23.
I cannot do this without doing work.
Why won't he? This has been my question? You and I can forgive others without them repenting. Why won't God do it?You’ve changed the question again. I never said God cannot forgive a person who doesn’t repent, I said He won’t according to Romans 2.
Do you think it would be helpful to know why? I do.You did this before on the subject of atheists being saved you added the stipulation of them being saved after they die which changed the entire meaning of your original post. Now if your asking why God can’t forgive someone who doesn’t repent then my answer is I don’t know. I’m not aware of any scriptures that give any reason why God can’t forgive those who don’t repent other than because He is just and will judge each person according to their deeds. I don’t think these actually answer the question why but rather explain what He will do not why He has chosen to do it this way.
I disagree. If I must do something to receive the gift of eternal life it is not a free gift. And again, the free gift is eternal life not grace according to Romans 6.Sure it is a free gift if we were incapable of doing what pleases God and incapable of redeeming ourselves then by His grace He has enabled us to be capable of doing what pleases Him and provided a way for us to be redeemed even tho we do not deserve it that by definition is grace. A free and unmerited favor from God that none of us could attain by our own means or merit.
To repent don't I have to actually change my mind? That will take work. What is your definition of repent?Why not?
The text does not speak of each individually having faith in Jesus unto spiritual salvation.
Such as Ephes.2:8-9 says "For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast."
In contrast the Matthew text only speaks of nations (who were not saved) but they'd done something on a good moral level (vss 35-40) during the Tribulation .. unsaved people are capable of having a good conscience to do certain right things that are not in any way with the idea that the good thing they do will result in spiritual gain of salvation.. It never worked for the Jews and it certainly will never work for any Gentile. Because there is no scripture that would give anyone that idea.
Unless people like you are reading into the text what it doesn't say.
But it's obvious by the text (Mat.25:34-40) that those of good morals did not even know that the good that they'd done, would result in being selected and therefore designated as/like sheep to enter into the kingdom of God on the earth, the Messianic Millennium. So clearly it was farther from their minds even further that their good moral deeds could possibly result in their spiritual salvation.
The Matthew text simply does not allow for what you think that it does.
While those who did not do good moral things were designated as/like goats who perish (Mat.25:41-46).
Why won't he? This has been my question? You and I can forgive others without them repenting. Why won't God do it?
Do you think it would be helpful to know why? I do.
To repent don't I have to actually change my mind? That will take work. What is your definition of repent?
I disagree. If I must do something to receive the gift of eternal life it is not a free gift. And again, the free gift is eternal life not grace according to Romans 6.
Why won't he? This has been my question? You and I can forgive others without them repenting. Why won't God do it?
Do you think it would be helpful to know why? I do.
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