Are we saved by our faith or by faith + something else?

[redleghunter]

I believe so if they have love.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.

Romans chapter2 verse 26
So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law's requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised?

Whose love?

 

[disciple1]

Whose love?

Their love.

 

[samir]

I think you are misunderstanding what "good works" refers too but that's ok. I did not spell out as I should have. If those you mentioned are considered "good works" then the response I have is DUH.... those were not what I was referring too. It was more geared on missions, ect.

When I say good works I'm primarily referring to obeying the commandments which are summed as as love God above all else and love your neighbor as yourself. Anyone who does that is living righteously and I believe they will be saved. I know many people who think obeying God's law is optional. They sin because they don't love God yet are fully convinced they'll be saved based on their faith alone.

 

[redleghunter]

Their love.

The NT is quite clear that love is not relative. It is based on Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3: NKJV

14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— 19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, 21 to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

 

[Waggles]

So in conclusion, the only way to interpret the entire bible is that we are saved by our faith and ONLY by our faith in Jesus Christ. You can not name a single verse in the bible that says that ANYTHING else is required for salvation. What do you think?

I know that you are very wrong.
This is the gospel of TV evangelists and their mega churches.

The truth is we are saved by a number of necessary mandatory actions that all work together
unto salvation...
Here are the first scriptures that shoot down your hypothesis in flames

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. [seeking to receive the indwelling Holy Spirit . Pentecost]
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Acts 2:
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given
to them that obey him. Acts 5:32

Obedience is where it all starts!
A person must stop and listen to the gospel of salvation.
Then believe it and desire their salvation.
Then act upon this.
This brings about hopefully repentance [a response]
Then comes obedience and compliance.
Water baptism by immersion in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
The person confessing their faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.
Then seeking to be filled with the Holy Spirit - baptized in the Spirit - with
the Bible evidence of speaking out in other tongues.
Then reading the New Testament, particularly the epistles to the Spirit-filled Church.
Learning and growing.
Praying daily often in the Holy Spirit - that is praying fervently in tongues.
Strengthening the inner (spiritual person) through prayer and obedience to the word.
Walking in the Spirit.
Denying one's self will and yielding to Jesus by the Holy Spirit.

No it takes a lot more than simply faith to get saved and to stay saved.

 

[Waggles]

Faith brings about actions and responses to the saving grace of our Lord Jesus and
his work at Calvary along with his victory in the resurrection.

11 For the grace of God that brings salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly,
righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our
Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself
a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
Titus 2:

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No it takes a lot more than simply faith to get saved and to stay saved.

Yes as Jesus said it rerequires every bit of strength in heart and soul and mind and body to follow Him,
wholeheartedness, NOT divided heart at all.... simple and true and pure....

Yet also : whoever has the SON, HAS LIFE;
whoever has NOT the SON, HAS NOT LIFE.

Like, whoever is a person's father, God or the devil, is what makes the difference....

The children, however old, follow their father and do what he does.

With man this is impossible (to be saved).

It's up to God.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Are we saved by our faith or by faith + something else? Works perhaps? Love and Forgiveness? Baptism? None of the above. We are forever saved by our faith in Christ and ONLY by our faith in Christ. I'll show you.


Our works do not have any part to play in our salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). Our works are a chance for us to be rewarded by God and to show God that we love him and genuine faith in Christ will produce works. But, Christians who have no works were never saved in the first place. They don't have sufficient faith in Christ and it is a dead faith. As Matthew 25:35-40 and James 2:17 says.


Love and forgiveness are not requirements to salvation either. It's true, in Matthew 6:15 and Romans 13:10 we learn that if we do not forgive, we are not forgiven and that love is the fulfillment of the law. But, genuine faith in Christ would exhibit these things. Christians who don't love God and others and do not forgive others were never saved in the first place. Not that they are requirements for salvation.

Baptism is not a requirement for salvation either. Baptism is a chance for parents of an infant or a person of Christ to make a public declaration of faith. Mark 16:16 is NOT saying that baptism is required for salvation. Just look at the next statement in that verse for clarification it says "He who does not believe will be condemned". What Mark 16:16 is saying is that if one believes and is baptized he or she will be saved and if he believes and is not baptized he will still be saved. It doesn't say that baptism is required for salvation. If baptism were required for salvation the next statement in that verse would say something along the lines of "He who believes and is not baptized will be condemned" but, no it just says "but he who does not believe will be condemned." Implying that we are saved by our faith and not by baptism.

So in conclusion, the only way to interpret the entire bible is that we are saved by our faith and ONLY by our faith in Jesus Christ. You can not name a single verse in the bible that says that ANYTHING else is required for salvation. What do you think?

We are saved by faith. However it is entirely possible that our understanding of the word has diluted over time..

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

We are saved by faith. However it is entirely possible that our understanding of the word has diluted over time..

Who is "our" you are referring to ?

The understanding of God's Word is given by God to little children perfectly, not diluted. (all the time it is given as a gift - unearned , He never dilutes it)

 

[Bro Hansen]

Are we saved by our faith or by faith + something else? Works perhaps? Love and Forgiveness? Baptism? None of the above. We are forever saved by our faith in Christ and ONLY by our faith in Christ. I'll show you.


Our works do not have any part to play in our salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9). Our works are a chance for us to be rewarded by God and to show God that we love him and genuine faith in Christ will produce works. But, Christians who have no works were never saved in the first place. They don't have sufficient faith in Christ and it is a dead faith. As Matthew 25:35-40 and James 2:17 says.


Love and forgiveness are not requirements to salvation either. It's true, in Matthew 6:15 and Romans 13:10 we learn that if we do not forgive, we are not forgiven and that love is the fulfillment of the law. But, genuine faith in Christ would exhibit these things. Christians who don't love God and others and do not forgive others were never saved in the first place. Not that they are requirements for salvation.

Baptism is not a requirement for salvation either. Baptism is a chance for parents of an infant or a person of Christ to make a public declaration of faith. Mark 16:16 is NOT saying that baptism is required for salvation. Just look at the next statement in that verse for clarification it says "He who does not believe will be condemned". What Mark 16:16 is saying is that if one believes and is baptized he or she will be saved and if he believes and is not baptized he will still be saved. It doesn't say that baptism is required for salvation. If baptism were required for salvation the next statement in that verse would say something along the lines of "He who believes and is not baptized will be condemned" but, no it just says "but he who does not believe will be condemned." Implying that we are saved by our faith and not by baptism.

So in conclusion, the only way to interpret the entire bible is that we are saved by our faith and ONLY by our faith in Jesus Christ. You can not name a single verse in the bible that says that ANYTHING else is required for salvation. What do you think?

Please.
Faith in what....!?
www.nlmission.com

 

[Phantasman]

That's a good point. Should he have told the Romans to take him down off the cross so that he could go get baptized?

Water does nothing. It is a spiritual acceptance.

 

[Bro Hansen]

We are saved by faith. However it is entirely possible that our understanding of the word has diluted over time..

Please
As in Genesis 3' seeing things our way is exactly what stands against God.
It is only the Word which is the light for humankind?
www.nlmission.com

 

[Bro Hansen]

There seems to be confusion, for clarity please consider the following;
The New Life Mission - A Bible study on being born again of water and the Spirit

 

[thecolorsblend]

Water does nothing. It is a spiritual acceptance.

Then why did Our Lord say that one must be born of both water and spirit in order to enter the kingdom of God in St. John 3:5?

 

[Bro Hansen]

The New Life Mission - A Bible study on being born again of water and the Spirit

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Who is "our" you are referring to ?

The understanding of God's Word is given by God to little children perfectly, not diluted. (all the time it is given as a gift - unearned , He never dilutes it)

Our refers to those who are born again, since this forum is for christians .. the meaning of our is implied.
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God indeed never dilutes the words that He gives to us, but the translations of man can indeed be lacking.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Our refers to those who are born again, since this forum is for christians .. the meaning of our is implied.

Who said the forum is for Christians ? Most of the visitors/ readers are not.
Hopefully some will learn the GOOD NEWS and turn to YHWH'S KINGDOM ....

God indeed never dilutes the words that He gives to us, but the translations of man can indeed be lacking.

SO trust God and what He gives us , (as HE says to do always),
and don't trust man. (man is not reliable, that is correct)

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Who said the forum is for Christians ? Most of the visitors/ readers are not.

It was a general our in compliance with the anti-flaming rules of this forums. To be exactly specific.

 

[disciple1]

The NT is quite clear that love is not relative. It is based on Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3: NKJV

14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— 19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, 21 to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

being rooted and grounded in love

to know the love of Christ

Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

 

[AACJ]

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