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You are correct, the Bible does not teach any rapture but does teach Psalm 37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, (2) not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. (3) Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
The Rapture
A Popular but False Doctrine. The rapture, this doctrine that essentially teaches Christ will come back twice, first coming only into the atmosphere to snatch believers away to heaven for several years; then actually returning to set foot on the earth, often called "the blessed hope," is sadly more hoax than hope, even though the man who started it had no intention of deceiving anyone. You need to know what the Bible actually says!
A premillennialist believes that Christ returns before the Millennium to set up His Kingdom as described in Revelation 20:4
John Nelson Darby believed, rightly, that Jesus Christ would return to earth to establish and rule over the Kingdom of God. Darby was a premillennialist. But in his zeal for countering error, he added another—the rapture theory.
If the rapture were truly a biblical doctrine, it would mesh with all other scriptural references to Christ’s coming. But it does not stand up to that test, as we will see.
Then Scofield picks it up and adopted the [rapture doctrine], even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history” (“Catholic Answers,” http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp).
In fact, “the day of the Lord” and “the day of Christ” both refer to Christ’s return to the earth throughout the Bible—that is, to the time when He will step foot on earth. So also do the phrases, “the day of the Lord Jesus Christ” and “the Lord’s Day.” They all speak of His actual descent and setting His feet on this earth (Zechariah 14:1-4)
Some rapturists today cite Acts 8:39 , saying it uses the same Greek word that is translated “caught up” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. They say that the fact the Spirit of God “caught [Philip] away” shows that 1 Thessalonians 4:17 means that the saints are caught away to heaven. Yet the Spirit did not transport Philip to heaven, but rather from one place on the earth to another.
[No man including David, has ascended to heaven but he who came down from heaven]
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
The implication is that the word “appearance” conveys something secretive and sudden; that is, the rapture. Therefore, “blessed hope” becomes a sort of shorthand for the rapture in literature and films on the doctrine. A few other New Testament references that mention “the appearing of Christ” are also often cited, as if these scriptures strengthen their case.
But all of these are simply referring to Christ’s coming, either the first time as a perfect sacrifice for sin, or the second time, as an invincible King.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 The Greek verb for “caught up” is ἁρπαγησόμεθα; harpagesometha. Does it convey the sense of an abduction here? No, “[it] combines the ideas of force and suddenness seen in the irresistible power of God” (Leon Morris, Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, Revised Edition, 1984, p. 94).
726 harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force (i.e. not covertly or secretly).
Paul wrote that they should not grieve over this: “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus [believers who had died]” (verse 14).
These verses refer only to the doctrine of the second coming, at which time Jesus sets foot on the earth.
“The leading topic of Paul’s preaching at Thessalonica having been the coming kingdom (Acts 17:7
some perverted it into a cause for fear in respect to friends lately deceased, as if these would be excluded from the glory which those found alive alone should share. This error Paul here corrects.”
Verse 15 amplifies the point: “We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.” The Commentary on the Whole Bible by Jamieson, Fausset and Brown
Paul’s reason for using such a strong word as harpagesometha was to reassure people that, at Christ’s return, God would reunite believers who remain alive with believers who had died. The dead won’t be behind in any way!
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"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the 4 corners of the earth to meet the Lord in the four corners on the earth. And thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

You forgot to post the source of your copied and pasted which shows Ezekiel 38 and 39 are not prophecies on the rapture. https://www.hopefaithprayer.com/books/The-Prophecy-that-is-Shaping-History-Ruthven.pdf
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This conflicts with Romans 9:6-8, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18 and many other verses that say the Jewish nation are no longer the Israel of God. Happy with that?

There's no conflict in the bible Keras, just your own knowledge of what's written in the bible.

Isaiah 49:14-15 Good News Translation (GNT)
14 But the people of Jerusalem said,
“The Lord has abandoned us!
He has forgotten us.”
15 So the Lord answers,
“Can a woman forget her own baby
and not love the child she bore?
Even if a mother should forget her child,
I will never forget you.


Isaiah 14:1 Good News Translation (GNT)

The Lord will once again be merciful to his people Israel and choose them as his own. He will let them live in their own land again, and foreigners will come and live there with them.

Zechariah 1:16 Good News Translation (GNT)
So I have come back to Jerusalem to show mercy to the city. My Temple will be restored, and the city will be rebuilt.”









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This conflicts with Romans 9:6-8, Galatians 3:26-29, Ephesians 2:11-18 and many other verses that say the Jewish nation are no longer the Israel of God. Happy with that?

I am not happy that you only use the Scriptures that you think support your agenda and ignore the rest. That to me is very sad!

The misguided effort to blend the Church and Israel into one entity continues. First it was “Replacement Theology”, the false teaching that because of their rejection of Jesus as their Messiah, God has no more use for Israel. Instead He has transferred to the Church all of the promises He had formerly made to them.

According to this view, the rebirth of Israel in 1948 was nothing more than an accident of history, not the fulfillment of prophecy. They say the only future for Israel is through the Church.

The Hebrew Roots movement takes a different road to reach the mirror image of the same destination. They claim the Gentile church has gone way off the track, having been contaminated with Greek and Roman paganism. They advocate a return to the Jewish roots of the Church by keeping the Law, the dietary restrictions, the Feasts of Israel, etc. like the original disciples did. In other words to become Torah observant. They say the only future for the Church is through Israel.What Does The Bible Say? Israel And The Church - Gracethrufaith
 
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According to this view, the rebirth of Israel in 1948 was nothing more than an accident of history, not the fulfillment of prophecy. They say the only future for Israel is through the Church.

The Hebrew Roots movement takes a different road to reach the mirror image of the same destination. They claim the Gentile church has gone way off the track, having been contaminated with Greek and Roman paganism. They advocate a return to the Jewish roots of the Church by keeping the Law, the dietary restrictions, the Feasts of Israel, etc. like the original disciples did. In other words to become Torah observant. They say the only future for the Church is through Israel.What Does The Bible Say? Israel And The Church - Gracethrufaith
The official religion of the actual State of Israel founded in 1948 is the Babylonian Talmud not the Torah.Their flag emblem is the hexagram star the symbol of moloch an ancient babylonian god.
God is against the Jews who use the hexagram symbol of moloch .
Acts 7:43
1 Timothy 4-13
1 Kings 11:7

But you are right to say that the actual state of Israel founded in 1948 is part of the prophecies of the End times....they will accept the antichrist as their messiah ... The actual state of Israel will fullil the prophecy about the Great harlot Babylon...

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There's no conflict in the bible Keras, just your own knowledge of what's written in the bible.

Isaiah 49:14-15 Good News Translation (GNT)
14 But the people of Jerusalem said,
“The Lord has abandoned us!
He has forgotten us.”
15 So the Lord answers,
“Can a woman forget her own baby
and not love the child she bore?
Even if a mother should forget her child,
I will never forget you.


Isaiah 14:1 Good News Translation (GNT)

The Lord will once again be merciful to his people Israel and choose them as his own. He will let them live in their own land again, and foreigners will come and live there with them.

Zechariah 1:16 Good News Translation (GNT)
So I have come back to Jerusalem to show mercy to the city. My Temple will be restored, and the city will be rebuilt.”









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According to this view, the rebirth of Israel in 1948 was nothing more than an accident of history, not the fulfillment of prophecy. They say the only future for Israel is through the Church.

The Hebrew Roots movement takes a different road to reach the mirror image of the same destination. They claim the Gentile church has gone way off the track, having been contaminated with Greek and Roman paganism. They advocate a return to the Jewish roots of the Church by keeping the Law, the dietary restrictions, the Feasts of Israel, etc. like the original disciples did. In other words to become Torah observant. They say the only future for the Church is through Israel.What Does The Bible Say? Israel And The Church - Gracethrufaith
The official religion of the actual State of Israel founded in 1948 is the Babylonian Talmud not the Torah.Their flag emblem is the hexagram star the symbol of moloch an ancient babylonian god.
God is against the Jews who use the hexagram [star]symbol of moloch .
Acts 7:43
1 Timothy 4-13
1 Kings 11:7

But you are right to say that the actual state of Israel founded in 1948 is part of the prophecies of the End times....they will accept the antichrist as their messiah ... The actual state of Israel will fulfill the prophecy about the Great harlot Babylon...

More about the Star of David deception hexagram
The Star Of David Deception
 
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The misguided effort to blend the Church and Israel into one entity continues. First it was “Replacement Theology”, the false teaching that because of their rejection of Jesus as their Messiah, God has no more use for Israel. Instead He has transferred to the Church all of the promises He had formerly made to them.
Only misguided in your opinion. The Jewish people have as much opportunity to receive salvation as anyone. The fact of there being only one people of God destroys the rapture theory.
Only one people of God is the Biblical truth and to believe it is a far better option than gripping onto ideas that are not scriptural.

Are we in the last Days?
We are not yet into the events prophesied to happen before Jesus Returns. But I do believe the first five Seals are open and have been since Jesus Ascended to heaven. Therefore the Sixth Seal is the next prophesied event we can expect. This worldwide disaster caused by an explosion of the sun, Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, will change the world and lead up to the Return of Jesus. Judging by the current world situation, this could start very soon.
 
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Only misguided in your opinion. The Jewish people have as much opportunity to receive salvation as anyone. The fact of there being only one people of God destroys the rapture theory.

Keras, I know this is a little hard to figure this out but Israel doesn't get rapture. The rapture of the church is for..............well, the church.










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Only misguided in your opinion. The Jewish people have as much opportunity to receive salvation as anyone. The fact of there being only one people of God destroys the rapture theory.
Only one people of God is the Biblical truth and to believe it is a far better option than gripping onto ideas that are not scriptural.

Are we in the last Days?
We are not yet into the events prophesied to happen before Jesus Returns. But I do believe the first five Seals are open and have been since Jesus Ascended to heaven. Therefore the Sixth Seal is the next prophesied event we can expect. This worldwide disaster caused by an explosion of the sun, Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, will change the world and lead up to the Return of Jesus. Judging by the current world situation, this could start very soon.

Well, we all have opinions don't we?

You are correct in that Jews have the same opportunity to be saved as do all other people. ALL people are saved through the Lord Jesus Christ. That group of people then make up the Church.

That in no way means that the nation of Israel is invalid or not in existence.

Are we in the Last days? We have been in the Last Days since the Crucifixion.

Acts 2:17.......
"And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS saith God, I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh..........".

When Peter referred to the last days in Acts 2, the Lord hadn’t yet disclosed that Israel was being set aside for a period of time while He focused on the Gentile Church, and after that He would turn His attention to Israel again. This was first revealed in Acts 15:13-18, using a quote from Amos 9:11-12.

Since then the world has been waiting for Israel to re-appear as the first major sign that the last days really are upon us. This finally happened in 1948. Jesus said that many of the people being born when the first signs appeared would still be alive when He comes back. (Matt. 24:34)
 
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Keras, I know this is a little hard to figure this out but Israel doesn't get rapture. The rapture of the church is for..............well, the church.










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You are very correct!
 
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No Diane, we are not in the LAST of the last days .

Revelation 16:15-21 and Revelation 19:11-21 tell us about the LAST day .

Agreed.

The LAST of the "last days", will begin immediately after the Rapture of the believers and will be the 7 Year Tribulation Period ending at Armageddon.

God bless you as you consider these truths.
 
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There's no conflict in the bible Keras, just your own knowledge of what's written in the bible. Isaiah 14:1 Good News Translation (GNT) The Lord will once again be merciful to his people Israel and choose them as his own. He will let them live in their own land again, and foreigners will come and live there with them. Zechariah 1:16 Good News Translation (GNT) So I have come back to Jerusalem to show mercy to the city. My Temple will be restored, and the city will be rebuilt.”
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, (2) not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. (3) Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
The Rapture A Popular but False Doctrine. Revelation 20:4 ...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. AND where will they reign? Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
If the rapture were truly a biblical doctrine, it would mesh with all other scriptural references to Christ’s coming. [rapture doctrine], even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history” (“Catholic Answers,” http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp).
In fact, “the day of the Lord” and “the day of Christ” both refer to Christ’s return to the earth throughout the Bible—that is, to the time when He will step foot on earth. So also do the phrases, “the day of the Lord Jesus Christ” and “the Lord’s Day.” They all speak of His actual descent and setting His feet on this earth (Zechariah 14:1-4)
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Yet the Spirit did not transport Philip to heaven, but rather from one place on the earth to another.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Paul wrote that they should not grieve over this: “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus [believers who had died]” (verse 14). These verses refer only to the doctrine of the second coming, at which time Jesus sets foot on the earth.
“The leading topic of Paul’s preaching at Thessalonica having been the coming kingdom Acts 17:7 Verse 15 amplifies the point: “We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.” The Commentary on the Whole Bible by Jamieson, Fausset and Brown
Paul’s reason for using such a strong word as harpagesometha was to reassure people that, at Christ’s return, God would reunite believers who remain alive with believers who had died. The dead won’t be behind in any way!
"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them.. to meet the Lord on the earth. And thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
 
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Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, (2) not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. (3) Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
The Rapture A Popular but False Doctrine. Revelation 20:4 ...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. AND where will they reign? Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
If the rapture were truly a biblical doctrine, it would mesh with all other scriptural references to Christ’s coming. [rapture doctrine], even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history” (“Catholic Answers,” http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp).
In fact, “the day of the Lord” and “the day of Christ” both refer to Christ’s return to the earth throughout the Bible—that is, to the time when He will step foot on earth. So also do the phrases, “the day of the Lord Jesus Christ” and “the Lord’s Day.” They all speak of His actual descent and setting His feet on this earth (Zechariah 14:1-4)
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Yet the Spirit did not transport Philip to heaven, but rather from one place on the earth to another.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Paul wrote that they should not grieve over this: “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus [believers who had died]” (verse 14). These verses refer only to the doctrine of the second coming, at which time Jesus sets foot on the earth.
“The leading topic of Paul’s preaching at Thessalonica having been the coming kingdom Acts 17:7 Verse 15 amplifies the point: “We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.” The Commentary on the Whole Bible by Jamieson, Fausset and Brown
Paul’s reason for using such a strong word as harpagesometha was to reassure people that, at Christ’s return, God would reunite believers who remain alive with believers who had died. The dead won’t be behind in any way!
"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them.. to meet the Lord on the earth. And thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

What is the point you are trying to make????
 
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What is the point you are trying to make????
You missed it? If the rapture were truly a biblical doctrine, it would mesh with all other scriptural references to Christ’s coming. [rapture doctrine], even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history” (“Catholic Answers,” http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp). Now, where will they meet? Not in the SKY but on EARTH! Not even David has yet ascended into the heavens
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, (2) not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. (3) Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
The Rapture A Popular but False Doctrine. Revelation 20:4 ...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. AND where will they reign? Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
In fact, “the day of the Lord” and “the day of Christ” both refer to Christ’s return to the earth throughout the Bible—that is, to the time when He will step foot on earth. So also do the phrases, “the day of the Lord Jesus Christ” and “the Lord’s Day.” They all speak of His actual descent and setting His feet on this earth (Zechariah 14:1-4)
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Yet the Spirit did not transport Philip to heaven, but rather from one place on the earth to another.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Paul wrote that they should not grieve over this: “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus [believers who had died]” (verse 14). These verses refer only to the doctrine of the second coming, at which time Jesus sets foot on the earth.
“The leading topic of Paul’s preaching at Thessalonica having been the coming kingdom Acts 17:7 Verse 15 amplifies the point: “We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.” The Commentary on the Whole Bible by Jamieson, Fausset and Brown
Paul’s reason for using such a strong word as harpagesometha was to reassure people that, at Christ’s return, God would reunite believers who remain alive with believers who had died. The dead won’t be behind in any way!
"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them.. to meet the Lord on the earth. And thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
 
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The official religion of the actual State of Israel founded in 1948 is the Babylonian Talmud not the Torah.Their flag emblem is the hexagram star the symbol of moloch an ancient babylonian god.
God is against the Jews who use the hexagram [star]symbol of moloch .
Acts 7:43
1 Timothy 4-13
1 Kings 11:7

But you are right to say that the actual state of Israel founded in 1948 is part of the prophecies of the End times....they will accept the antichrist as their messiah ... The actual state of Israel will fulfill the prophecy about the Great harlot Babylon...

More about the Star of David deception hexagram
The Star Of David Deception

So you are saying that the Jewish nation in the Middle East is NOT Jewish but instead is Babylonian?
 
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You missed it? If the rapture were truly a biblical doctrine, it would mesh with all other scriptural references to Christ’s coming. [rapture doctrine], even though no Christian had heard of it in the previous 1800 years of Church history” (“Catholic Answers,” http://www.catholic.com/library/Rapture.asp). Now, where will they meet? Not in the SKY but on EARTH! Not even David has yet ascended into the heavens
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, (2) not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. (3) Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
The Rapture A Popular but False Doctrine. Revelation 20:4 ...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. AND where will they reign? Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
In fact, “the day of the Lord” and “the day of Christ” both refer to Christ’s return to the earth throughout the Bible—that is, to the time when He will step foot on earth. So also do the phrases, “the day of the Lord Jesus Christ” and “the Lord’s Day.” They all speak of His actual descent and setting His feet on this earth (Zechariah 14:1-4)
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Yet the Spirit did not transport Philip to heaven, but rather from one place on the earth to another.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Paul wrote that they should not grieve over this: “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus [believers who had died]” (verse 14). These verses refer only to the doctrine of the second coming, at which time Jesus sets foot on the earth.
“The leading topic of Paul’s preaching at Thessalonica having been the coming kingdom Acts 17:7 Verse 15 amplifies the point: “We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.” The Commentary on the Whole Bible by Jamieson, Fausset and Brown
Paul’s reason for using such a strong word as harpagesometha was to reassure people that, at Christ’s return, God would reunite believers who remain alive with believers who had died. The dead won’t be behind in any way!
"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them.. to meet the Lord on the earth. And thus we shall always be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

Actually you are incorrect. The Pre-tribulation, Rapture is the only one that does fit perfectly in place.

The Literal, futuristic approach is the only one which makes perfect sense. Anything Other Than a Pre-Tribulation Rapture Removes The Prophesied Element Of Surprise.

The strongest evidence in the Bible of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture (that is, the Biblical doctrine that Jesus Christ will return FOR the saints BEFORE the 7-year Tribulation period) is the PROPHESIED ELEMENT OF SURPRISE! Plainly, the Lord Jesus taught that NO MAN KNOWS THE TIME of His return. Matthew 24:44, “Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.” Luke 12:40, “Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.” Anything other than a Pre-tribulation Rapture (in time of event) totally REMOVES this Biblical element of surprise.
The Pretribulation Rapture

The Bible predicts the Rapture, telling us that it will be unpredictable, imminent, without warning, and will be visible only to THE SAINTS. When Jesus raised up from the dead, 1st Corinthians 15:6 teaches that the Lord appeared bodily to over 500 BRETHREN AT ONCE. The Lord did not appear to any unsaved people after His resurrection. The Lord appeared to Mary Magdalene, His 12 apostles, over 500 disciples at once and others. There is no record of any unsaved person seeing the Lord in His resurrected body.

 
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The official religion of the actual State of Israel founded in 1948 is the Babylonian Talmud not the Torah.Their flag emblem is the hexagram star the symbol of moloch an ancient babylonian god.
God is against the Jews who use the hexagram [star]symbol of moloch .
Acts 7:43
1 Timothy 4-13
1 Kings 11:7

But you are right to say that the actual state of Israel founded in 1948 is part of the prophecies of the End times....they will accept the antichrist as their messiah ... The actual state of Israel will fulfill the prophecy about the Great harlot Babylon...

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The Star Of David Deception
Sorry but the Hebrew says otherwise:
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Ancient Hebrew Dictionary - Indexed by Ancient Hebrew Word
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Actually you are incorrect. The Pre-tribulation, Rapture is the only one that does fit perfectly in place.
Now, where will they meet? Not in the SKY but on EARTH! Not even David has yet ascended into the heavens
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Luke 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven
 
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