Are Traditions Needed?

[W2L]

2 Thessalonians 2:15 N-AFP
GRK: κρατεῖτε τὰς παραδόσεις ἃς ἐδιδάχθητε
NAS: and hold to the traditionswhich
KJV: hold the traditions which
INT: hold fast to the traditionswhich you were taught

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Concordance Entries
Strong's Greek 3862
13 Occurrences

παραδόσει — 1 Occ.
παραδόσεις — 2 Occ.
παραδόσεων — 1 Occ.
παράδοσιν — 9 Occ.
Additional Entries
παρέδωκαν — 6 Occ.
παρέδωκας — 2 Occ.
παρεδώκατε — 2 Occ.
παρέδωκεν — 18 Occ.
παρέδοσαν — 1 Occ.
παρεδόθη — 4 Occ.
παρεδόθην — 1 Occ.
παρεδόθητε — 1 Occ.
παράδοξα — 1 Occ.
παραδόσει — 1 Occ.
παραδόσεων — 1 Occ.
παράδοσιν — 9 Occ.
παραζηλῶσαι — 1 Occ.
παραζηλώσω — 2 Occ.
παραζηλοῦμεν — 1 Occ.
παραθαλασσίαν — 1 Occ.
παρεθεωροῦντο — 1 Occ.
παραθήκην — 3 Occ.
παραινῶ — 1 Occ.
παρῄνει — 1 Occ.


Englishman's Concordance

Greek Concordance: παραδόσεις (paradoseis) -- 2 Occurrences

Thanks. i finally figured out that i could just follow your links.

 

[Tone]

Thanks. i finally figured out that i could just follow your links.

I also recommend a full reading of 2 Thessalonians 2. It seems Paul was addressing letters and words sent to them that caused fear that "the day of the Lord had come". He assured them that that day would not come until rebellion and the man of lawlessness happen first. This man is empowered by satan to oppose those who love wickedness and refuse saving truth. They will be hardened as they "had pleasure in unrighteousness."

So, whatever Paul reminded them of was the opposite of lawlessness, wickedness, and unrighteousness. I get the sense that Paul was telling them to remember what they were taught to abstain from so they wouldn't fall into rebellion.

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[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Hi Family,

As I look to the different denominations I see some riddled with traditions that some individuals find necessary to bless or to appease God.

Do we need these traditions?

Are we naive or small minded to place value on traditions?

Do traditions save you?

Are they necessary?

Why do traditions that are contradictory to the Word even allowed to continue?

~Natsumi Lam~

Hold Fast to the word and Traditions we have been taught(2 Thess 2:14-17)
Christ and the Apostles fully preached all the traditions we are to keep. If a Tradition is not written in scripture(spoken of by the Apostles) then we should not keep it. We are not to adopt any other traditions than the ones of God(Leviticus 18:2-4,Jer 10:2-3,8; Deut 12:29-32, 2 Cor 6:14-17, Eph 5:6-12). We are saved by faith alone through grace(Ephesians 2:8-9) but we are justified by our works(James 2; Ephesians 2:10). By following the commands of God and the traditions put in place by him we are justified under the law of Christ by our deeds(Colossians 3:17; 1 John 2:3-4) as we are judged by our works according to his word(2 Cor 5:10; Romans 2:16; Revelation 20:12-13).

The traditions of the Ungodly are only allowed to continue within certain Christian groups by the wills of both the ignorant and the unrighteous. The Lord's Church keeps no such traditions.

 

[Tone]

I get the sense that Paul was telling them to remember what they were taught to abstain from so they wouldn't fall into rebellion.

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Speaking of tradition, check out those 20 verses. I believe one clear tradition was abstaining from sexual immorality.

*Abstain, Abstinence Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Where do you stand when it comes to Hail Mary and Our Fathers?

 

[W2L]

Where do you fall when it comes to Hail Mary and Our Fathers?

Is this addressed to everyone? By fall do you mean how do I stand on those traditions? If so my answer is that I don't follow anything but scripture.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

Is this addressed to everyone? By fall do you mean how do I stand on those traditions? If so my answer is that I don't follow anything but scripture.

Yes yes and i agree.

 

[Tone]

Where do you fall when it comes to Hail Mary and Our Fathers?

I abstain.

 

[W2L]

Do you follow 2 Thess 2: 15?
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

Yes but those traditions are Paul's, not the RCC's. Notice it doesn't say RCC.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

Ok!? In any form?

What 'forms' do you have in mind? I was saved in infancy, well before I could ever make such a prayer.

 

[DamianWarS]

Hi Family,

As I look to the different denominations I see some riddled with traditions that some individuals find necessary to bless or to appease God.

Do we need these traditions?

Are we naive or small minded to place value on traditions?

Do traditions save you?

Are they necessary?

Why do traditions that are contradictory to the Word even allowed to continue?

~Natsumi Lam~

there is no such thing as a church without tradition. if there was no tradition there would be no church. tradition is a product of community, the moment a community starts to repeat something, even if its merely gathering on the same day or time, it an example of tradition. the gospel transcends tradition so the two can be compatible and we may use traditions as tools to approach God so long as we don't use tradition to replace Christ and continue to teach that Christ is the only way to the Father, not Christ + tradition.

 

[SkyWriting]

Sorry but im having a hard time understanding your position.You dont agree with the Lords commands but do agree with tradition? Perhaps im just misreading?

I agree with the Lords commands, rather than others commands on me.
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[SkyWriting]

there is no such thing as a church without tradition. if there was no tradition there would be no church. tradition is a product of community, the moment a community starts to repeat something, even if its merely gathering on the same day or time, it an example of tradition. the gospel transcends tradition so the two can be compatible and we may use traditions as tools to approach God so long as we don't use tradition to replace Christ and continue to teach that Christ is the only way to the Father, not Christ + tradition.

Home churches are the first and the best. They come and go and have no traditional baggage.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

Home churches are the first and the best. They come and go and have no traditional baggage.

Without denominational support, they're also highly prone to error creeping in.

 

[DamianWarS]

Home churches are the first and the best. They come and go and have no traditional baggage.

except that the home church is the only model of church shown in the bible so arguably it is the most traditional. I agree I think the home church is the best model out there but just because it's in a home and there is no pomp and ceremony attached to it doesn't mean there is no tradition. What happens when you pray at a house church? do some dance around, some start eating, others stand on their head? Of course not, this would be utter nonsense and random, I suspect everyone pretty much does the same thing, and this "same thing" is a form of tradition.

Let's take one of those examples, what if someone decided to stand on their head during prayer would they be eventually confronted saying the way they pray is not in unity with others and is distracting? Well, what does it matter what they do, there is no tradition, so they may pray however they feel like praying.

Tradition helps balance and direct the community and allows people to feel more comfortable to enter into worship in unison. If everyone stands and raises their hands in prayer, and you do the same, you enter into a form of corporate worship and unity. On the flip side, if someone chooses to do something that is disharmonious to the community (say stand on their head during prayer) they are implicitly rejecting unity. Tradition is a powerful thing and proclaims the gospel when the focus is right.

 

[FireDragon76]

Since people are largely mimetic, traditions are generally inevitable.

 

[SkyWriting]

except that the home church is the only model of church shown in the bible so arguably it is the most traditional. I agree I think the home church is the best model out there but just because it's in a home and there is no pomp and ceremony attached to it doesn't mean there is no tradition. What happens when you pray at a house church? do some dance around, some start eating, others stand on their head? Of course not, this would be utter nonsense and random, I suspect everyone pretty much does the same thing, and this "same thing" is a form of tradition.

Let's take one of those examples, what if someone decided to stand on their head during prayer would they be eventually confronted saying the way they pray is not in unity with others and is distracting? Well, what does it matter what they do, there is no tradition, so they may pray however they feel like praying.

Tradition helps balance and direct the community and allows people to feel more comfortable to enter into worship in unison. If everyone stands and raises their hands in prayer, and you do the same, you enter into a form of corporate worship and unity. On the flip side, if someone chooses to do something that is disharmonious to the community (say stand on their head during prayer) they are implicitly rejecting unity. Tradition is a powerful thing and proclaims the gospel when the focus is right.

I would never raise my hands in prayer. Prayer is never supposed to be in public. And so many of the worst prayers are. The closest I allow is to be silent when others do. But I'd prefer not to be that public.

And I'd never prohibit any kind of any prayer, even during cartwheels or nude dancing.

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

I would never raise my hands in prayer. Prayer is never supposed to be in public.

Jesus sometimes prayed in public.

 

[DamianWarS]

I would never raise my hands in prayer. Prayer is never supposed to be in public.
The closest I allow is to pray silently when others do. But I'd prefer not to be that public.

so your [hypethetical] house church doesn't pray corporately? The Lord's prayers starts corporately saying "Our Father..." not "My Father..." literally the Greek says "Father of us"

 

[SkyWriting]

so your [hypethetical] house church doesn't pray corporately? The Lord's prayers starts corporately saying "Our Father..." not "My Father..." literally the Greek says "Father of us"

The home churches I've been to do have silent prayer, which I don't pray during.
The Lords prayer specifically says pray "like" this, specifically speaking out against prayers repeated in public in the paragraph before.
The Lords Prayer is a format to follow and not to repeat.