Are Traditions Needed?

[Cement]

i dont see anything wrong with maintaining centuries long traditions to honor our God. i think some traditions are beautiful. for instance the Catholic church and some other Churches once ran prayer houses where a small donation to support those elders was in used in return for many prayers of mercy for the afflicted one.

 

[Tree of Life]

The commands of the Lord and His apostles. Pray, be thankful, teach each other in Psalms and songs.

When do you gather to do this, generally speaking?

 

[W2L]

When do you gather to do this, generally speaking?

Every day

 

[Tree of Life]

Every day

And how long do you gather for?

 

[W2L]

And how long do you gather for?

Depends. How long do you gather? Which days? What do you and your church buddies do in your gatherings?

 

[Tree of Life]

Depends. How long do you gather?

We gather for about an hour and a half on Sunday mornings. This is our tradition.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

only the ones the LORD gave us are required.

 

[Tone]

2 Thessalonians 2:15
"Therefore, my brethren, be established and hold the commandments fast that you have learned, whether by discourse or by our epistle."

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast and retain the doctrine which ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle."

"So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter."

"With all these things in mind, dear brothers and sisters, stand firm and keep a strong grip on the teaching we passed on to you both in person and by letter."

"My friends, this is why you must remain faithful and follow closely what we taught you in person and by our letters."

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."

Which translation do you traditionally hold to?

Someone provide the word in the original please.

 

[W2L]

We gather for about an hour and a half on Sunday mornings. This is our tradition.

Sounds lovely.

 

[Calvin_1985]

My response would be that you likely have traditions that you cannot even see because of your denial that you have traditions. Everybody else I have talked to about this has traditions. Even those who say they have no traditions. I suspect you are no different. The danger for you is that you cannot see your traditions and as a result you cannot scrutinize them.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. He has broken me free from every side of myself.

 

[W2L]

2 Thessalonians 2:15
"Therefore, my brethren, be established and hold the commandments fast that you have learned, whether by discourse or by our epistle."

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast and retain the doctrine which ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle."

"So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter."

"With all these things in mind, dear brothers and sisters, stand firm and keep a strong grip on the teaching we passed on to you both in person and by letter."

"My friends, this is why you must remain faithful and follow closely what we taught you in person and by our letters."

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."

Which translation do you traditionally hold to?

Someone provide the word in the original please.

Which one do you recommend? I use NKJV and NASB.

 

[Calvin_1985]

I'm trying to imagine what life must be like without traditions. How long are the sermons at your church on Sundays?

I know I'm kind of butting in, but I can tell you what no traditions is like.

 

[W2L]

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. He has broken me free from every side of myself.

Amen.

 

[W2L]

I know I'm kind of butting in, but I can tell you what no traditions is like.

Im all ears bro

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

Are biblical traditions..outside of the sinner's prayer...necessary for salvation? If not, what makes them worth our time?

The sinner's prayer isn't necessary for salvation.

 

[Tone]

Okay, I did some quick googling:

Greek word:
Strong's #3862 - παράδοσις - Old & New Testament Greek Lexicon

Hebrew equivalent:
Strong #: 612 ‑ אֵסוּר (ay‑soor');
Strong's #612 - אֵסוּר - Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon


1) band, bond

2) house of bonds, prison (figurative)

From the root אָסַר:

1) to tie, bind, imprison

1a) (Qal)

1a1) to tie, bind

1a2) to tie, harness

1a3) to bind (with cords)

1a4) to gird (rare and late)

1a5) to begin the battle, make the attack

1a6) of obligation of oath (figurative)

1b) (Niphal) to be imprisoned, bound

1c) (Pual) to be taken prisoner

Strong's #0631 - אָסַר - Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon

אסר - Wiktionary

 

[Gregory Thompson]

And yet Paul wrote it in something which the Church canonized as Scripture that word of mouth teaching could be valid. And more to the point that Traditions were things we should hold to as matters of the faith.

Paul wrote it, but generations later, there is no guarantee of reliable transmission of oral traditions.

People like me need to take every scrap of information and test it for fruit, then make a conclusion.

 

[W2L]

.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

The sinner's prayer isn't necessary for salvation.

Ok!? In any form?

 

[Tone]

Where is this word found in 2 Thessalonians 2:15?

2 Thessalonians 2:15 N-AFP
GRK: κρατεῖτε τὰς παραδόσεις ἃς ἐδιδάχθητε
NAS: and hold to the traditionswhich
KJV: hold the traditions which
INT: hold fast to the traditionswhich you were taught

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Concordance Entries
Strong's Greek 3862
13 Occurrences

παραδόσει — 1 Occ.
παραδόσεις — 2 Occ.
παραδόσεων — 1 Occ.
παράδοσιν — 9 Occ.
Additional Entries
παρέδωκαν — 6 Occ.
παρέδωκας — 2 Occ.
παρεδώκατε — 2 Occ.
παρέδωκεν — 18 Occ.
παρέδοσαν — 1 Occ.
παρεδόθη — 4 Occ.
παρεδόθην — 1 Occ.
παρεδόθητε — 1 Occ.
παράδοξα — 1 Occ.
παραδόσει — 1 Occ.
παραδόσεων — 1 Occ.
παράδοσιν — 9 Occ.
παραζηλῶσαι — 1 Occ.
παραζηλώσω — 2 Occ.
παραζηλοῦμεν — 1 Occ.
παραθαλασσίαν — 1 Occ.
παρεθεωροῦντο — 1 Occ.
παραθήκην — 3 Occ.
παραινῶ — 1 Occ.
παρῄνει — 1 Occ.


Englishman's Concordance

Greek Concordance: παραδόσεις (paradoseis) -- 2 Occurrences