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Pauls thorn ???
Trying to find a topic that we can amicably disagree on, hopefully this is it. Scripture seems to support and promote that God heals us from all sickness and conditions.
Psalm 103:3 He who forgives all your iniquities and heals all your diseases,
Matthew 4:23 Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.
But most all of us have experienced times when we ask for and seek healing and it does not come. Now, a caveat to this discussion is I'm asking you not to use "It's God's Will" as a response to this. Is there scriptural support for the idea that we cannot be healed of some conditions?
Like, are there limits to what we can and cannot be healed of?
What is our response to people who genuinely ask for healing but do not receive it?
Paul's Thorn was NOT a sickness.
How do you know?
A number of people have written/said that it was possibly something to do with his eyesight.
The sickness of death wasn't even enough to stop Jesus, the disciples, and many others who were full of the Holy Spirit from being able to heal a person of it. Therefore, no. There are no limits.
It still remains in God's will.Trying to find a topic that we can amicably disagree on, hopefully this is it. Scripture seems to support and promote that God heals us from all sickness and conditions.
Psalm 103:3 He who forgives all your iniquities and heals all your diseases,
Matthew 4:23 Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.
But most all of us have experienced times when we ask for and seek healing and it does not come. Now, a caveat to this discussion is I'm asking you not to use "It's God's Will" as a response to this. Is there scriptural support for the idea that we cannot be healed of some conditions?
Like, are there limits to what we can and cannot be healed of?
What is our response to people who genuinely ask for healing but do not receive it?
Simple - read the verse in context:
2 Cor 12: 7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.A messenger of Satan - angelos - spiritual messenger. The word is used 170 times in the NT, not one time translated sickness.
If you want a complete study on it:
Paul's Thorn
Paul's Thorn was NOT a sickness.
I don't blame the person, I blame the centuries of the church not believing God, and teaching that God doesn't honor his word. The church looks at God's word and tells us to also ask, "did God really say?".The thought that comes to my mind on this subject is how terrible it is when someone is not healed and then they are told that they were not healed because of their lack of faith. That has to be about as foolish and unchristian as anyone can be, it makes me so upset when I hear someone make that comment it is just pain cruel to do that to someone who is already suffering. God has a good reason for what He does or fails to do.
Evidence please...
I don't blame the person, I blame the centuries of the church not believing God, and teaching that God doesn't honor his word. The church looks at God's word and tells us to also ask, "did God really say?".
A messenger of Satan could easily be an illness.
Satan brings sickness and death. All Job's troubles and sufferings were sent by Satan. He sends sickness, death etc to us to try to get our eyes off God.
And in many cases it seems to work - at least for a while. People blame God for suffering. Because non Christians believe he is responsible, should at least stop it or could stop it and won't, they don't want to believe in him. I daresay that some Christians may have even lost their faith because they feel God should heal them and doesn't. Job done - 1-0 to Satan.
What I don't say is that God's word isn't true. That is no help to them.For those of you who believe that God heals everyone of what they have asked to be healed of ... what do YOU say to persons who prayed for a specific healing and did not receive what they asked for?
Or is it that everyone you know who has prayed for a specific healing has received it?
All your friends and family and coworkers, etc., have always been healed as they have requested?
Really ... I do not see it as a lack of faith to accept what is reality.
Reality is: Not all persons that pray for a specific healing are healed as requested.
So ... what do you say to them?
How do you counsel them?
Think this takes us back to what the OP was initially asking.
p.s. And where do you live, that this is happening for all the people there?
I may want to move there! lol
For those of you who believe that God heals everyone of what they have asked to be healed of ... what do YOU say to persons who prayed for a specific healing and did not receive what they asked for?
Or is it that everyone you know who has prayed for a specific healing has received it?
All your friends and family and coworkers, etc., have always been healed as they have requested?
Really ... I do not see it as a lack of faith to accept what is reality.
Reality is: Not all persons that pray for a specific healing are healed as requested.
So ... what do you say to them?
How do you counsel them?
Think this takes us back to what the OP was initially asking.
p.s. And where do you live, that this is happening for all the people there?
I may want to move there! lol
Trying to find a topic that we can amicably disagree on, hopefully this is it. Scripture seems to support and promote that God heals us from all sickness and conditions.
Psalm 103:3 He who forgives all your iniquities and heals all your diseases,
Matthew 4:23 Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.
But most all of us have experienced times when we ask for and seek healing and it does not come. Now, a caveat to this discussion is I'm asking you not to use "It's God's Will" as a response to this. Is there scriptural support for the idea that we cannot be healed of some conditions?
Like, are there limits to what we can and cannot be healed of?
What is our response to people who genuinely ask for healing but do not receive it?
It's not about looking to the church for healing. It's about how we are supposed to encourage one another, but we very actively discourage one another. I don't know anyone who is so faithful on their own that they can stand without encouragement for their whole entire life. If someone believes for a healing we tell them it may not be God's will, "did God really say?". Actually yes He did really say, and it is grave sin to deny it, but the church has elevated unbelief to a virtue, and is teaching others to do the same. Unbelief is sin! When the church teaches unbelief, and it does, the church is aligning with Satan. We should be more than a little concerned about that.A personal faith in God is dependent on God, and not the church.
I understand now why you express so much disappointment with churches, and the so many others you refer to in the Body of Christ. Believing in the faith of others to heal you is sure to disappoint.
Depending on man will often disappoint.
But depending on God never does ...
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