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Time is the enemy of holiness.Bingo!
Man tries to do it their own way, and their own way says I need more church programs and events that will bring people into the house of God. The problem with that approach is when the people stop being entertained they either vote out the current leadership or they leave the church for the next thing.
The power of God is what gets people to stay, nothing can replace it or replicate it.
Instead of more programs and events, churches (in my opinion) should hold more prayer meetings and have time to corporately seek the Lord and His power/blessing.
Please explain why Paul and Timothy were suffering from infirmities.Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Any sick people in heaven?
It is God's will that all be saved, but not all will be saved. What's your point?Please explain why Paul and Timothy were suffering from infirmities.
Galatians 4:13
King James Version
13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
1 Timothy 5:23
King James Version
23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
But it's not "nothing but talk". It might be different than what you expect it to look like, but it doesn't mean it's "nothing but talk". It's common practice for doubters to use charlatans, aka wolves in sheeps clothing, to bring disrepute upon the gospel and the practice of the kingdom. But that doesn't prove anything other than, there are false teachers. But the scriptures themselves bear witness that false teachers exist, Jesus warned about that. Jesus even warned there would be people who claimed to do miracles in His name, but were excluded from the Kingdom. Again, it doesn't mean that healings don't happen or have stopped.All I am saying that in spite of all the talk, teaching, motivational preaching to increase people's faith, nothing is working. This is not about me. I'm just the whistle blower. The so called healing ministry is nothing but talk. Why is that?
Why wouldn't they? The people of that day were no different from the people of this day.Please explain why Paul and Timothy were suffering from infirmities.
Galatians 4:13
King James Version
13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.
1 Timothy 5:23
King James Version
23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
I think that Paul had it pretty well right when he told Timothy that many had departed from sound doctrine and were taking on fables. Paul gave another clue when he told the Corinthians and many were weak, sick and dying prematurely because they were not discerning the Lord's supper, and eating and drinking damnation to themselves. The damnation is not losing their salvation, but judgment in this life. When we look through what Jesus said to the Seven churches in Revelation. we get more clues about where the problem lies. The only church that got full approval from the Lord was the church at Philadelphia. All the others had serious faults requiring repentance. It is interesting that none of those churches exist today. When we consider the faults of each of those churches we see direct parallels with many, if not all of our churches today.Again, it's not GOD, it's the people.
How many people know they need to seek something from GOD beyond getting filled with The Spirit and having the gifts? None of them. How many of them know anything really about the anointing? None of them. They think it is something floating around in the atmosphere waiting to attack one of them every so often. People have written books on the subject that never tell you what it is, because they don't know themselves.
It's a complete lack of knowledge on the subject, and a complete lack of desire to know anything about it either. So we get what we have currently.
If you don't ask you won't receive. If you don't seek you won't find.
People are too tied up with church activities instead of drawing close to The Lord. Time is the enemy of holiness.
What is letting us all down concerning the manifestation of the supernatural gifts of the Spirit is the general state of the church. When we study what Jesus said to the Seven churches in Revelation we see that six of those churches had serious faults which required repentance. Note that those churches no longer exist possibly because they did not heed the Lord's instructions to repent. When we see the faults of those churches, we see parallels with our modern churches. We also see what Paul said to Timothy, that many have departed from sound doctrine and taking up fables instead. Connected with this we see that most churches are doing things that are not found anywhere in the New Testament. The Lord's supper has become a ritual and most have little idea of what it means. This is the failure to discern the body and blood of the Lord that Paul said to the Corinthians. This is why many were weak, sickly, and prematurely dying. If you asked the normal church member what the Lord's Supper is all about, they wouldn't be able to tell you.But it's not "nothing but talk". It might be different than what you expect it to look like, but it doesn't mean it's "nothing but talk". It's common practice for doubters to use charlatans, aka wolves in sheeps clothing, to bring disrepute upon the gospel and the practice of the kingdom. But that doesn't prove anything other than, there are false teachers. But the scriptures themselves bear witness that false teachers exist, Jesus warned about that. Jesus even warned there would be people who claimed to do miracles in His name, but were excluded from the Kingdom. Again, it doesn't mean that healings don't happen or have stopped.
Why are we even having this talk in this sub? Seriously, every single.one of us should believe, firmly and resolutely that healings happen and should be expected. Jesus said that healing the sick and casting out demons would be signs of the Kingdom. Not my words, His. So stop doubting and believe (without a doctor's note)
The fact remains: There seems to be a disparity between interpretation of Scripture that supports routine healing through prayer, and the healing not happening. Until the disparity is resolved, all there remains is just empty talk.
As you can see from my recent posts, the problem I see is in the general state of the church. In most cases, the Holy Spirit is grieved at what is happening, with departure from sound doctrine, relying on ritual and ceremony, and a general lack of purity and holiness among church members.So would it easier to just change one variable instead of what you are doing, which is changing two?
Direct promises of salvation = God is going to save so long as an unbeliever believe.
No direct promises of healing = God may or may not heal a believer, even if the latter believers, depending on his sovereign will.
In both cases, whether churches/believers are carnal or not plays no role.
As you can see from my recent posts, the problem I see is in the general state of the church. In most cases, the Holy Spirit is grieved at what is happening, with departure from sound doctrine, relying on ritual and ceremony, and a general lack of purity and holiness among church members.
When the Holy Spirit is quenched or grieved, people don't get saved or healed. God is not willing that any should perish, but multitudes will, because of their unbelief.But as I said, if all that you have describe has zero impact on whether God wants to save or not, why should it affect him wanting to heal?
When the Holy Spirit is quenched or grieved, people don't get saved or healed. God is not willing that any should perish, but multitudes will, because of their unbelief.
You're not allowed to bring up scriptural reasons why the Bible teaches some may not be healed. There are reasons outlined in scripture which means we don't tell people as any absolute why they weren't personally healed but we all to teach the possible reasons as outlined in scripture.How many times did Jesus refuse to heal someone? Jesus is God. That's how many times God refuses to heal now. Our systemic unbelief is what disconnects us from God's power. How many times did Jesus rebuke the disciples for their unbelief? What prevented Him from ministering in His own town? The church has elevated that same kind of unbelief to some sort of dark virtue.
I'd dial that back somewhat. I'd say we shouldn't really say to one this is the absolute reason why you weren't healed. That's not for me to actually define and that's between you and God HOWEVER we are told to teach things like James 1 which states if one wavers don't think they shall receive anything from the Lord. If it would be wrong for us to teach that then it would have to be wrong for James to teach it.The thought that comes to my mind on this subject is how terrible it is when someone is not healed and then they are told that they were not healed because of their lack of faith. That has to be about as foolish and unchristian as anyone can be, it makes me so upset when I hear someone make that comment it is just pain cruel to do that to someone who is already suffering. God has a good reason for what He does or fails to do.
They just can't get over that they may pray for healing and when they're not healed.....NO WAY they did something wrong. Wasn't the case with Jesus and his Apostles though.What I don't say is that God's word isn't true. That is no help to them.
Someone very close to me died of cancer. She believed to her last breath that God was going to heal her. That doesn't negate God's word. He wants to heal us, but the naysayers shout louder, and it plants doubt in our minds and too often our hearts.
They just can't get over that they may pray for healing and when they're not healed.....NO WAY they did something wrong.
Why wouldn't they? The people of that day were no different from the people of this day.
Why do believers today suffer from infirmities? Same answers.
Actually, this confirms the reality of our experience.
Paul suffered at the hands of a messenger of satan sent to stir up persecution against him because of pride.
The Corinthian Christians suffered sickness and weakness and even died young because they failed to discern the Lord's body.
The people of Jesus' hometown suffered because they did not have faith due to their familiarity with Him.
Paul said that those who sow destruction in the flesh will reap destruction in the flesh.
We could go on and on.
None of this contradicts what God said about healing and health.
Just because a person lived in Bible times does not mean they were perfect and had lives better or worse than ours. We, like they, struggle with the flesh, faith, the devil, and "time and circumstance."
Nobody here or anywhere else that I have heard is saying this is automatic, or that Christians do not struggle. That, in fact, is the norm.
Sorry, you must have misunderstood.Earlier you said
"Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Any sick people in heaven?"
Aren't you implying there won't be any sick believers on earth? Why are you changing your tune now?
John 3:16 is quite clear: "God so loved the world that He sent His only Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but will have eternal life.Again, avoid changing 2 variables at the same time.
do you still believe that, with direct promises of salvation = God is going to save so long as an unbeliever believes?
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