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When? Where? If you claim in the Bible you take on a huge burden of proof. If you ever study the Bible the Bible never claims to be perfect or even "God's word" for that matter. At best it refers to an undefined "scripture" as being God's word and that could only be applied to writings that predate that particular one.God says it is sufficient. That's my starting and finishing point.
No, you don't get to assume God. All we have is a "We don't know yet." That is never evidence for a God.Every event is embedded in time except for the first event of time itself which makes the first event unique. There is no point in talking about the micro until the macro is established so does any of this point to my personal God... that's not the point. It establishes a space where God exists
And you don't get to not assume God. Since it is empirically unknown, God is both existent and non-existent at the same time. Since we have no capacity to peak in the box that is the best science can get.No, you don't get to assume God. All we have is a "We don't know yet." That is never evidence for a God.
by empirical means, no, but God can be realized through other means, such as logic and theory or in subjective ways like belief and experience, or simply surrender. I suspect you won't like those answers but since we already know God is unprovable through the lens of science we have to accept other ways to measure God.Or any other means.
Who do you think is assuming "not God"?And you don't get to not assume God. Since it is empirically unknown, God is both existent and non-existent at the same time. Since we have no capacity to peak in the box that is the best science can get.
I have only seen God argued for using logical fallacies. Perhaps you may be able to come up with a valid argument. And I don't think you understand what "theory" means. If you can find a reliable way to argue for God I will listen. But if you repeat old errors I will merely roll my eyes.by empirical means, no, but God can be realized through other means, such as logic and theory or in subjective ways like belief and experience, or simply surrender. I suspect you won't like those answers but since we already know God is unprovable through the lens of science we have to accept other ways to measure God.
Loopholes in the evolutionary theory of the origin of life: Summary - creation.com... that don't ultimately boil down to an argument from incredulity and/or awe?
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By "creation" I'm referring to the typical supernatural creation stories about the creation of the universe, stars, the planets, life, etc.
Why link a comedy source? They do not even understand that abiogenesis is a separate topic from evolution. They fail in the title alone.
Wriggle all you like. You won't get off the hook.When? Where? If you claim in the Bible you take on a huge burden of proof. If you ever study the Bible the Bible never claims to be perfect or even "God's word" for that matter. At best it refers to an undefined "scripture" as being God's word and that could only be applied to writings that predate that particular one.
I’ve never heard any arguments that end in awe. I’ve only heard logical ones.... that don't ultimately boil down to an argument from incredulity and/or awe?
edited to add for clarification:
By "creation" I'm referring to the typical supernatural creation stories about the creation of the universe, stars, the planets, life, etc.
You are not aware of arguments for creation.What did you expect? There is no argument for creation except a literal interpretation of the Genesis stories.
I am not wriggling, I am laughing. Either the interpreter or the writer did not understand the concept of evidence. If anyone is wriggling it is the creationists. They are tend to be very afraid of the concept of evidence. I am sorry, but you have none.Wriggle all you like. You won't get off the hook.
Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse."
Actually we have heard them all. There is not one that does not fail miserably. Perhaps you have something new?You are not aware of arguments for creation.
Well the fact is that when a creationist quotes the Bible to support their case, they’ve lost the argument and shown their ignorance of the subject.I am not wriggling, I am laughing. Either the interpreter or the writer did not understand the concept of evidence. If anyone is wriggling it is the creationists. They are tend to be very afraid of the concept of evidence. I am sorry, but you have none.
You’re aware of the problem for atheists that information code always comes from intelligence? How do you answer this so that it fails miserably?Actually we have heard them all. There is not one that does not fail miserably. Perhaps you have something new?
You’re aware of the problem for atheists that information code always comes from intelligence? How do you answer this so that it fails miserably?
It’s a theory in crises because doesn’t stand up to its premises.Sorry, but the theory of evolution is simply reality.
For many it’s the reason they became atheists.It is not an escape clause. It does not disprove God.
Because we have evidence for a Being who is in relationship. It’s like asking for evidence of a marriage when written witness of it is not allowed. When I married my husband I believed he loved me but I had no evidence that would satisfy you here. It was nevertheless true.If there is a God then why cannot any believer find reliable evidence for that God?
Correct. What evidence of knowledge would satisfy you?You may claim to "know God" but knowledge is demonstrable. To me it looks as if you only have belief.
When one goes beyond basic science evolution has glaring holes in its ability to explain. I have read of many who dropped it when they worked in science beyond the elementary level realizing the problems.Now I could explain how we know that evolution is a fact, but you would have to be willing to learn some of the basics of science first.
It’s a theory in crises because doesn’t stand up to its premises.
For many it’s the reason they became atheists.
Because we have evidence for a Being who is in relationship. It’s like asking for evidence of a marriage when written witness of it is not allowed. When I married my husband I believed he loved me but I had no evidence that would satisfy you here. It was nevertheless true.
Correct. What evidence of knowledge would satisfy you?
When one goes beyond basic science evolution has glaring holes in its ability to explain. I have read of many who dropped it when they worked in science beyond the elementary level realizing the problems.
Not meaning to be personally but most atheists I discuss with in sites are totally unaware of the deep problems with the theory. Are you different?
Theory has broader definitions. Since we have established that according to science we cannot prove God I am not using the term "theory" in a scientific sense.I have only seen God argued for using logical fallacies. Perhaps you may be able to come up with a valid argument. And I don't think you understand what "theory" means. If you can find a reliable way to argue for God I will listen. But if you repeat old errors I will merely roll my eyes.
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