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Sure. But that's still the reality of the situation, regardless of whether you want to accept it.
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We've been down this track to nowhere before. You won't convince me and I won't convince you.
That is quite backwards. When have atheists done this?You got that right. Atheists being the prime example.
Backwards again. It is a wonder that anyone rejects it. But then there are people that reject gravity as well. The difference between a creationist and a Flat Earther is only a matter of degree.The only wonder of evolution is that anyone believes it.
Of course, the creation/evolution debate has nothing to do with the existence of God. It's about the Bible.
Then the universe is the exception to every rule.
We exist in a space time continuam. Outside of the continuam is outside of space and time so it cannot be measured by space and time. Whatever force it is would be eternal and uncreated based on our laws because it is not define by space/matter (so is uncreated) or time (so is eternal).
What about the fine-tuning argument?
Evolution theory is the escape clause for atheists. I grew up with one. I have a reasonable idea of what made him tick. The reason that I say there is a God is very simple. It is true. That you do not believe does not make it untrue. I suspected there was a God as a child and into my teens. I came to know God shortly before my 21st birthday. I've known God for nearly 50 years.I am not the ignorant one here. I understand how we know that evolution is a fact. You apparently do not. Why did you conflate atheism and evolution? Do you conflate atheism and gravity?
And that verse is somewhat correct. It would also be correct if it said "The fool has said in his heart, "There is a God." Now can you apply reason and see why that is the case?
I disbelieved evolution long before became a Christian, and that in spite of my atheist father promoting evolution to me. When I was at school, evolution and Creation were presented as alternatives. We had the right to choose for ourselves. Evolution made no sense to me then or now.Of course, the creation/evolution debate has nothing to do with the existence of God. It's about the Bible.
Sorry, but the theory of evolution is simply reality. It is not an escape clause. It does not disprove God. Now it may disprove mistaken versions of God, but if your version of God made a "Flat Earth" then that is a mistaken version as well.Evolution theory is the escape clause for atheists. I grew up with one. I have a reasonable idea of what made him tick. The reason that I say there is a God is very simple. It is true. That you do not believe does not make it untrue. I suspected there was a God as a child and into my teens. I came to know God shortly before my 21st birthday. I've known God for nearly 50 years.
It does not matter what you say to most atheists. Nothing can convince them that they are wrong. When faced with overwhelming evidence, atheists still say that they do not believe. You choice. You will have eternity to regret it.
And whose fault is that?I disbelieved evolution long before became a Christian, and that in spite of my atheist father promoting evolution to me. When I was at school, evolution and Creation were presented as alternatives. We had the right to choose for ourselves. Evolution made no sense to me then or now.
Evolution made no sense to me then or now.
Hello pitabread, if you are truly interested, here's a great place to start, the feature film, Is Genesis History?. It is an extremely well-done movie/documentary that will answer at least some of your questions (and there is MUCH more to be found at Is Genesis History? - The Documentary Film with Del Tackett).... that don't ultimately boil down to an argument from incredulity and/or awe?
edited to add for clarification:
By "creation" I'm referring to the typical supernatural creation stories about the creation of the universe, stars, the planets, life, etc.
I stated God is unprovable through science.Then why believe? Probability is a knife that cuts both ways. You just stated that there is no evidence for God, even though you probably do not realize that.
Hello pitabread, if you are truly interested, here's a great place to start, the feature film, Is Genesis History?. It is an extremely well-done movie/documentary that will answer at least some of your questions (and there is MUCH more to be found at Is Genesis History? - The Documentary Film with Del Tackett).
Paul Nelson, PhD – Philosopher of Science
Every event is embedded in time except for the first event of time itself which makes the first event unique. There is no point in talking about the micro until the macro is established so does any of this point to my personal God... that's not the point. It establishes a space where God existsSorry, that is a fail on your part. First off there are uncaused events. They occur all of the time on a quantum level. It is not a violation of logic, you merely formed the argument poorly. Second, even if there was a "cause" you do not get to assume that it was a god and especially not your personal God. William Lane Craig's abuse of the Kalam has been endlessly refuted.
God says it is sufficient. That's my starting and finishing point.Sorry, but the theory of evolution is simply reality. It is not an escape clause. It does not disprove God. Now it may disprove mistaken versions of God, but if your version of God made a "Flat Earth" then that is a mistaken version as well.
If there is a God then why cannot any believer find reliable evidence for that God? You may claim to "know God" but knowledge is demonstrable. To me it looks as if you only have belief. Now I could explain how we know that evolution is a fact, but you would have to be willing to learn some of the basics of science first. For some reason I doubt if you will do that.
You speak of "overwhelming evidence" and I am betting that you do not even understand the concept of evidence. Would you like to start there?
The trouble with circular arguments is that you never know when you've got to the end, so it is really difficult to get off. Trapped on a fairground ride for eternity, the towns the carnival visits and revisits slowly decaying into dust as the haunting strains of the Calliope echo in your confused mind.God says it is sufficient. That's my starting and finishing point.
My positing of Is Genesis History? wasn't meant to be the basis for a discussion, it was just meant to be informational (I normally don't like being offered long movies/videos as the sole basis for discussion at places like this either). That said, your idea of posting a particular argument from the film is a good one, so I will take a look and do so, hopefully this weekend.........if there is a particular argument from that film you feel relates to the OP, then feel free to present it.
Or any other means.I stated God is unprovable through science.
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