Are there 3 heavens?

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In the bible you hear of being caught up into the third heaven, which SUGGESTS that there must be a 1st and a 2nd heaven for a 3rd to exsist.

What are your thoughts and do you have scripture and reference to back up your opinion?
 

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Such as the trinity? But there still has to be a dividing level of some sort, right?

Wasn't really thinking of the trinity but I guess. I just know there is no mention of more than one heaven, but like that paul verse talks about different tiers of heaven. I also think there is something similarly mentioned in the book of enoch. So I wouldn't find it hard to believe at all that there are different tiers of heaven accessible to different beings.
 
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Wasn't really thinking of the trinity but I guess. I just know there is no mention of more than one heaven, but like that paul verse talks about different tiers of heaven. I also think there is something similarly mentioned in the book of enoch. So I wouldn't find it hard to believe at all that there are different tiers of heaven accessible to different beings.
I've never read the book of Enoch. I remember hearing something of the fact that Lucifer before being cast down was working on a particular "part" of heaven. That his work was incomplete when being cast out.
 
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[QUOTE="Solomons Porch, post: 71302539, member: 394274" I remember hearing something of the fact that Lucifer before being cast down was working on a particular "part" of heaven. That his work was incomplete when being cast out.[/QUOTE]

Was this in the bible or another source? Never heard of it. If not from the bible what source?
 
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I forget where I read it, but I read something to the effect that the number varied from as little as 3 to a lot more (well over 100iirc). It was referring to 2nd temple era rabbinic discussion. Under a three system the first heaven would be the sky, the second would be the celestial sea (sea of stars) and then the Third would be where God dwells. Under a larger system it would follow the number of wandering stars (visible planets) in ascending order. I can't remember how the 100 or more went but I think it was theoretical past 7. I wish I could find that page again because it was really informative.
 
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I forget where I read it, but I read something to the effect that the number varied from as little as 3 to a lot more (well over 100iirc). It was referring to 2nd temple era rabbinic discussion. Under a three system the first heaven would be the sky, the second would be the celestial sea (sea of stars) and then the Third would be where God dwells. Under a larger system it would follow the number of wandering stars (visible planets) in ascending order. I wish I could find that page again because it was really informative.

I've heard of this as well. So it's possible when paul says third heaven he just means actual heaven where God resides, and the 1st and 2nd are as you say the sky and stars.
 
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[QUOTE="Solomons Porch, post: 71302539, member: 394274" I remember hearing something of the fact that Lucifer before being cast down was working on a particular "part" of heaven. That his work was incomplete when being cast out.

Was this in the bible or another source? Never heard of it. If not from the bible what source?[/QUOTE]
Yikes, yeah I'm straining my brain to remember. Hopefully I'll remember before the Lord comes back. That might take me a second.
 
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I've heard of this as well. So it's possible when paul says third heaven he just means actual heaven where God resides, and the 1st and 2nd are as you say the sky and stars.
So each heaven is a kingdom? And the ruler of each kingdom?
 
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So each heaven is a kingdom? And the ruler of each kingdom?
I wouldn't say each heaven is a kingdom. Heaven has many meaning in the bibles. Sometimes when they say heaven, they are really talking about the sky or stars. They also can be talking about the actual heaven where God resides. Theres a verse I can find i'm sure that uses heaven in a way that just means sky if you need me to.
 
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I believe there are more heavens than we can imagine. There could be one for each person with all the people and things they want in it. One may be a golden gated community with streets of gold and mansions. Another with a house on a farm.....with horses and family and posters that gave them the most "winner ratings.." The poster that give us a hard time wont be there....so they most go to the other place........their own heaven, that is.
 
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I believe there are more heavens than we can imagine. There could be one for each person with all the people and things they want in it. One may be a golden gated community with streets of gold and mansions. Another with a house on a farm.....with horses and family and posters that gave them the most "winner ratings.." The poster that give us a hard time wont be there....so they most go to the other place........their own heaven, that is.
That's cute
My heaven would totally be a farm
And yes no mean posters
 
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Genesis 1 16:-17

"16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

It appears to me that the 2nd heaven is above the firmament. (satan/fallen angels)

The Third above the second (God's Throne)

This is were the accepted cosmological model is incorrect.

And I'm more inclined to believe in a flat earth opposed to a globe.
 
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Genesis 1 16:-17

"16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

It appears to me that the 2nd heaven is above the firmament. (satan/fallen angels)

The Third above the second (God's Throne)
So does that make the first heaven here on earth and us as rulers over it, to subdue?
 
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So does that make the first heaven here on earth and us as rulers over it, to subdue?

Nimrod tried to ascend like satan.

I think the earth is ours, not sure about the first heaven.

We can fly from place to place at about 40-50,000 ft.

Above that rockets or specialised jets.

What goes up must come down.

I will stop there or i'll end up putting my flat earth hat on :D
 
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