Why, yes, I have. Thank you for asking. It is very good reading.
Club and force? Just magnification of simple biblical warnings.
It's a nice little arrangement, but the last one is strictly eisegesis.
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Why, yes, I have. Thank you for asking. It is very good reading.Have you read the New Testament.
Club and force? Just magnification of simple biblical warnings.Those who choose to gain their salvation by the law are free to do so but there is no scriptural mandate for Christians to try to use the Bible as a club and force others to observe the Seventh day Sabbath.
It's a nice little arrangement, but the last one is strictly eisegesis.Jesus is our Passover.
1 Corinthians 5:7
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:Jesus is our firstfruits.
1 Corinthians 15:23
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.Jesus is our Sabbath,
Matthew 11:28
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Your response here...
Actually no it is not a strawman argument at all. The point being made in the part post you are quoting from is that Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break Gods' 4th commandment. This was applied to Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments which is in response to the OP and Matthew 15:2-9 where Jesus says that if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. This of course begs the question. If there is no scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest, who are we following God or man?
Take Care.
You say that everyone has freewill and can choose as they wish but you then try to force others to believe as you do by quoting verses over and over trying to force others to interpret them as you do.Hint: no part of the Bible is "a club to force gentile Christians". Everyone has free will and can choose as they wish.
And yet for those not opposed to scripture in Isaiah 56:6-7 we have this
Isaiah 56:
6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD (YHWH),
To attend to His service and to love the name of the LORD (YHWH),
To be His servants, every one who keeps the Sabbath so as not to profane it, And holds firmly to My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
For those opposed to it's teaching - the mere quote of that scripture is sufficient cause to give rise to an objection.
So you are saying the scripture i quoted does NOT say Christ is out Passover and First fruits? Are you arguing that Christ does not give us Sabbath i.e. rest?...
Club and force? Just magnification of simple biblical warnings.
It's a nice little arrangement, but the last one is strictly eisegesis.
Gathering on Sunday to celebrate the Lord’s resurrection is an apostolic tradition which we have an apostolic command to “stand fast and hold to”:
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold to the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle.
Please Cite the scripture that commands we must not gather to celebrate the Lord’s resurrection on Sunday, and explain why you believe the apostles continually violated that command.
It would make no difference. You have already been provided scripture throughout this thread which you continue to ignore and disregard. I am happy though to post the links of the posts. If you are seriously interested please let me know and I will post the links to the scriptures your disregarding. If not of course you are free to believe as you wish as that is between you and God and we will have to agree to disagree.Please show me one verse in the NT which commands non-Jewish Christians must observe the seventh day Sabbath.
That's what Christians do, no one here is saying you don't.I prefer to just follow scripture.
Knowingly breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments according to the scriptures is not following scripture *James 2:10-11; Matthew 7:21-23; James 4:17; Hebrews 10:26-31.That's what Christians do, no one here is saying you don't.
The scriptures are indeed there for all to see so not much more needs to be said....
HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], FOR WE WHICH HAVE BELIEVED DO ENTER INTO REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: ALTHOUGH THE WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.
There is no scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath. That is not biblical. According to the scriptures Jesus is the Lord and creator of the Sabbath that he made for all mankind *Mark 2:27-28. The only definition of the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment in the scriptures is that the Sabbath is the "seventh day" of creation that God commands us to keep as a holy day of rest. Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God... Your mixing up the rest we receive through believing and following God's Word with Gods "seventh day" Sabbath of the creation week that is a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth and one of God's 4th commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20.The "rest" spoken of is Jesus Himself.
There is no scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath. That is not biblical.
Then we have what Gods' word says...The old Sabbath observance is listed as "Obsolete" and I imagine the definition is similar to current usage of the word, though I've not looked into it.
The new one, not the obsolete one regarding sunshine and dewdrops.Then we have what Gods' word says...
Hebrews 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH
The new one, not the obsolete one regarding sunshine and dewdrops.
Those obsolete observances are all in the past. Like stoning prostitutes and slaughtering animals for forgiveness.There is no scripture that says Jesus is a Sabbath. That is not biblical. According to the scriptures Jesus is the Lord and creator of the Sabbath that he made for all mankind *Mark 2:27-28. The only definition of the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment in the scriptures is that the Sabbath is the "seventh day" of creation that God commands us to keep as a holy day of rest. Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God... Your mixing up the rest we receive through believing and following God's Word with Gods "seventh day" Sabbath of the creation week that is a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth and one of God's 4th commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20.
Take Care.
According to the scriptures God's law is not obsolete. Everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (scripture support) as the standard of Christian living and taught by Jesus and the Apostles in the new testament (scripture support). God's 10 commandments have the same role they always had according to the new covenant scriptures and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25 and made free to walk in God's Spirit as we believe God's Word *Romans 3:31; Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4. If God's law was abolished we would have no knowledge of what sin is. If we have no knowledge of what sin is we have no need of God's salvation. If we have no need of God's salvation we have no need of a Savior. If we have no need of a Savior from our sins we are lost because we are still in our sins. The scripture is then fulfilled "And you will not come to me, that you might have life." John 5:49. God's law is the teacher that leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith to receive God's forgiveness and why Jesus says in Matthew 9:12-13 They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick but go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. If we throw away our lamp we have no light to find our way when the road is dark and narrow. God's Word does not teach lawlessness (without law). Your teachings are not biblical or supported with scripture.
Take Care.
The greatest commandments that Jesus repeated from the Old Testament do not delete the Ten Commandments. What you are teaching here is not biblical. The Ten Commandments is our moral duty to God and neighbor and how we show love to God by obeying Commandments 1-4 Exodus 20:6, John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3. Commandments 5-10 is how we are morally supposed to treat our neighbor. I do find it amazing the extremes people are willing to try to delete the Ten Commandments that God personally spoke and wrote with His own finger and stored in the Most holy of His Temple. I know someone else who does not love God's commandments and he was thrown out of heaven.
Revelations tells us the God's saints keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus 14:12 so no the Ten Commandments have not been deleted.
Already addressed with a detailed scripture response showing why your teachings of lawlessness (without law) is not biblical. See post #134 linked. We should be careful not to read into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach. What is it in the linked post and scriptures provided there that you disagree with and why (scripture please)?Those obsolete observances are all in the past. Like stoning prostitutes and slaughtering animals for forgiveness.
If you follow the ten commandments, you die.
James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture,
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.
Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word:
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
See? No sunspots and dewdrops.
My point stands - the Decalogue only limits the amount of harm you do, and does not command any positive deeds to help anyone, but the two love commands do.
The only love in the Decalogue is towards God, there’s no love for your neighbor in it.
In 2 Corinthians chapter three, where Paul says the apostles are the ministers of the new covenant and the law of the Spirit that gives life, which he compares with the ten commands, given to Moses on the mountain, that brings death..
The Ten Commands are called the ministration of DEATH, the letter which KILLS, and the ministration of CONDEMNATION.
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW testament; not of the letter, but of the SPIRIT : for the letter KILLETH , but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration OF DEATH written andengraven in stones (The Ten Commandments) was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glorywas to be DONE AWAY:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation beglory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is DONE AWAY wasglorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious
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