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S Walch said:First called Christians in the City of Antioch..
coyoteBR said:I think that is where the problem lies.
We are here, discussing doctrines. Conventions. Dogma.
It would be better if we went back to the Basics: "Love God above everything and Your neighbour like yourself".
I guess Jesus Never Wanted us to do anything more than try to follow and understand this rule.
Why to focus on the things that set us apart?
exactly. now answer me this... was that before or after the nicean creed?
coyoteBR said:I see your Matthew, and raise a Good Samaritan parable.Who is actually doing the Will of God?
DjDan said:You know... you need to type out your argument more clearly.
Are you saying that there were no revelations after Christ?
or.... are you saying that there were no revelations after the Bible?
for either one... where do you find support for this standpoint? When did Jesus ever say that there would be no more revelation from him? and when was the Bible even compiled?
Caliban said:Isn't the revelations of Fatima a doctrine of faith and accepted by the catholic church therefore an inspiration of prophecy from Mary mother of God which was first instigated between May to October 1917 to three young shepherds?
If revelation can come to them after the bible then why not anyone else, or is it just because the church says what is inspiration or not?
newyorksaint said:The "underwear thing"-they are supposed to be physical reminders of our covenants with our Heavenly Father. Baptism of the dead? We believe that every person must be baptized, and by one holding proper authority. Since it must be done here on this earth, as a physical ordinance, we stand in proxy for someone who has already passed on, and it is considered that they have been baptized-provided that they want to accept it of course. As for Hitler, don't know much about that. I don't know how much is rumor, and how much isn't. And, yes, I do believe that President Hinckley is a living prophet of the Lord, and able to recieve revelation for the entire Church, as is his calling. (Thank you for using he proper title and name. It means a lot.)
S Walch said:You make the mistake of thinking that the Nicean Creed was the first creed ever written.
There are several creeds that were written well before teh Council of Nicea in 325 A.D, all of which are inline whith what the nicean Creed says.
The Nicean Creed is a statement of faith that had been believed for 3 centuries before it was finally written down.
S Walch said:What does it matter?
The Word "Christian" Is given to the followers of Jesus and His commandments (which in turn are God's commandments) which you don't follow.
looking4wisdom said:Can somebody please talk about the golden tablets????
What are they??
Can I see them?
What langauge are they written in???
Brennin said:They are plates that may or may not have been made of (pure) gold, depending on which Mormon apologist you ask.
A record of Nephite Civilization.
No. They were conveniently taken up into Heaven by Moroni.
The fantasy language of Reformed Egyptian.
looking4wisdom said:Can somebody please talk about the golden tablets???? What are they?? Can I see them? What langauge are they written in???
"And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech. And if our plates had been sufficiently large we should have written in Hebrew; but the Hebrew hath been altered by us also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no imperfection in our record."
msindiausa said:O...Reformed egyptian? nephite civilization? You hear new words and phrases everyday.
DjDan said:The plates were written in a 'reformed' Egyptian... which is something more of a mixture of hebrew and egyptian. Moroni said, in Mormon 9:32-34
Nephi and his family first came out of Jerusalem. His father knew both the Hebrew and Egyptian language, and obviously taught his family.. and they in turn, passed that knowledge down the generations. As Moroni said though, they wrote in egyptian (more out of convenience when compare with the hebrew language) which in turn, became reformed over time according to their speech. As any language would do.. after so many hundreds of years.
Because of this newly formed language... no-one could have understood it by their intellect alone. Joseph Smith (an unlearned man) translated the writings through the inspiration and blessing of God.
peepnklown said:Please, each Christian define Christianity, then list the beliefs that you believe are not Christian (toward Mormonism), and provide scripture support.
msindiausa said:Is there evidence of this Nephi civilization or reformed langauge available...native american languages are still around, and surely of there was a tribe of nephites there would be evidence.
DjDan said:We believe that the Nephites lived (most probably) in Mexico/central America and South America. Still today, very little is really known about those regions. New discoveries are being made all the time... with plenty 'evidences' being found in support of the book of mormon 'claim'.
I don't know of any specific language findings of yet.. but i can give you a site address which shows the many new evidences that are being found that suggest more and more that the book of mormon was a record of a real people.
Since I am not able to post links on this site yet.... i'll send you the link in pm later.
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