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Are Jews To Blame For Killing Jesus?

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I have read the day before yesterday that jews are to blame for killing Jesus. Then people told me it is lie that jews killed Jesus and i became confused, but today i read here the opposite:

http://www.jewskilledjesus.com/

And here i read the opposite to above:

The Jews did not kill Jesus – THE EVIDENCE « National « ZimEye

It seems as scripture was disrupted as it went from generation to generation and i understand that. I even heard that some statements were fabricated with intention to make people better, but this world of misinformation makes very hard to make decisions and it requires time to research.

That's why i made this poll to know opinions of people here if they don't want to start argument. You are welcome to post your opinion however.

NOTE: Poll creation failed but i would like to ask moderators to create poll and ask question as if forum members think jews are to blame for killing Jesus with 3 answers to choose from, which are: Yes, No, I Don't Know.

Thanks.
 

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The short answer is no. Crucifixion was a uniquely Roman method of execution reserved for rebels and dissidents, or just about anyone Rome wanted to make an example of.

Longer answer: A rather small minority of the Jewish nobility and leadership did arrest Him and hand Him over to the Romans; most probably due to the fact that He was seen as a trouble maker and since self-proclaimed messiahs had a tendency to cause a lot of suffering for the Jewish people when Rome would come down hard with its sword, it was probably seen as an expedient move to quietly take Jesus into custody and then have Rome deal with Him as a rabble-rouser and threat to Roman imperial authority.

In any event, the short answer stands true. The Jews did not kill Jesus.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I have read the day before yesterday that jews are to blame for killing Jesus. Then people told me it is lie that jews killed Jesus and i became confused, but today i read here the opposite:

http://www.jewskilledjesus.com/

And here i read the opposite to above:

The Jews did not kill Jesus – THE EVIDENCE « National « ZimEye

It seems as scripture was disrupted as it went from generation to generation and i understand that. I even heard that some statements were fabricated with intention to make people better, but this world of misinformation makes very hard to make decisions and it requires time to research.

That's why i made this poll to know opinions of people here if they don't want to start argument. You are welcome to post your opinion however.

NOTE: Poll creation failed but i would like to ask moderators to create poll and ask question as if forum members think jews are to blame for killing Jesus with 3 answers to choose from, which are: Yes, No, I Don't Know.

Thanks.

It is clear in the bible that Jesus, a Jew< was killed by Romans who had been encouraged to do so by Jews of Jesus' day. No one, neither Jew nor Gentile is guilty of killing Jesus in that last two thousand years. I find it a silly question and cannot imagine the wrong headedness of someone blaiming a modern Jew for the death of Jesus. How dumb is that? Is anyone not aware that we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers? Ezekiel 18.
 
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It is clear in the bible that Jesus, a Jew< was killed by Romans who had been encouraged to do so by Jews of Jesus' day. No one, neither Jew nor Gentile is guilty of killing Jesus in that last two thousand years. I find it a silly question and cannot imagine the wrong headedness of someone blaiming a modern Jew for the death of Jesus. How dumb is that? Is anyone not aware that we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers? Ezekiel 18.

Here is what i found on one website:

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Is anyone not aware that we are not responsible for the sins of our fathers? Ezekiel 18.

Then why Jesus died for my sins? Why i must repent and confess? Am i responsible here for sins of my father/s?

As new babies are born, does that mean Jesus died for their sins? Sins that they did not commit?
 
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Then why Jesus died for my sins? Why i must repent and confess? Am i responsible here for sins of my father/s?

There are different theological streams on this issue. Broadly they are referred to as "Atonement Theories", attempts at bringing together various theological components surrounding Jesus' death and putting them into a cohesive and meaningful whole.

The New Testament itself doesn't do this so much (though many would disagree with me on that point); rather the New Testament uses a lot of imagery to try and crystallize the monumental importance Jesus' death played in history and redemption. It draws from the imagery of the Paschal Lamb, it draws from the imagery of Jewish sacrifices, it draws imagery from Adam, and so on and so forth.

One of the earliest theories put forth can be found in the writings of St. Irenaeus who draws heavily upon the writings of St. Paul describing Jesus as the "Second Adam", this is the essential imagery that Irenaeus uses. For Irenaeaus Jesus is the Second Adam, the New Man, who by His human life recapitulates (this is why it's called Recapitulation Theory) Adam's life, specifically by undoing Adam's disobedience with His own obedience. Thereby Jesus, by participating in total the full meaning of human existence, and sharing even in death, He can then by His resurrection restore and bring to new life the entire human race. If by Adam's disobedience sin and death entered the world, then by Christ's obedience He has put to death sin and rendered death powerless, thereby coming resurrection from the dead. It is for this reason that, being in Christ, we share in His resurrection; even as He was raised from the dead as first-fruits, so shall we at the consummation of history be raised up from the dead to everlasting life.

Later Fathers used the imagery of ransom. The idea is that by our sin we have become captive prisoners of the devil, God out of His great love for us offers His only-begotten Son as a ransom. The devil receives this payment, Christ dies but then God in a twist, raises Christ from the dead and thus rendering the devil powerless, defeated and empty-handed. We call this Ransom Theory.

No later in the 11th century, medieval theologian and philosopher St. Anselm writes a work titled Cur Deus Homo?, or "Why God Became Man". In this work, Anselm draws upon the imagery of God as an offended lord, His honor offended by the sin of man and thus deserving restitution for the offense received. However man is incapable of paying this honor-debt to God, thus what is needed is one who can stand as God's equal and also act as representative of man: Jesus, being God-Man, alone can pay our debt on our behalf, therefore satisfying God's honor. We call this Satisfaction Theory.

St. Thomas Aquinas, a little later, adapts this but rather than God's honor being offended, it is God's justice.

During the Reformation, some Reformers such as John Calvin adapted Satisfaction Theory further, producing Penal Substitution Theory. Here we have trampled God's Perfect and Divine Law, and the penalty is death. Christ, therefore, pays the price on our behalf, vicariously (hence "Vicarious Atonement"), suffering the death we deserve and thus covering us with His righteousness. It's this view, through several permutations, that is the typical Atonement Theory and view one finds prominent among modern Evangelicals, as well as other Protestants.

About a century ago a Lutheran theologian, Gustav Aulen wrote a book titled Christus Victor, wherein he challenged the tradition of Satisfaction Theory (from Anselm and beyond), and looks toward the ancient views of the Christian Church (Recapitulation and Ransom). A reiteration of these ancient views has since taken name from the title of Aulen's book, and has been called Christus Victor Theory. It's since had a growing popularity among Western Christians, many such as myself who feel that the Medieval and Early Modern views in the West fall short at really capturing the mystery and profundity of the Atonement; and that the views of antiquity address the issue in a much more profound way.

In other words, I more-or-less subscribe to Christus Victor Theory. Jesus doesn't die to pay a debt to God, with God's wrath pouring out on Him because of Adam. Rather, God in Christ comes down to restore and to reconcile us, and to put an end to all that hinders us from full communion with God and one another: namely sin, death and hell.

As new babies are born, does that mean Jesus died for their sins? Sins that they did not commit?

We confess that Christ died for the sins of the whole world.

Furthermore, in Western Christianity (it should be pointed out that the Eastern Church doesn't adhere to the Western concept of Original Sin), Original Sin isn't about making babies guilty for things they haven't done; rather it's about addressing the fundamental problem of sin. The infant isn't a sinner because they're evil and guilty; rather it's that each and every one of us are heirs of a human nature left depraved by sin.

The Eastern view is different. Rather than "Original Sin", the Orthodox typically speak of "Ancestral Sin", which more-or-less says that through Adam's disobedience the world itself has been held captive to sin and death. Thus it's less about inheriting a sinful nature from Adam in the Western sense, but more about that we are born into an environment that is systematically diseased and we thus it's inevitable that we are sick.

This distinction between East and West goes further into the very idea of Sin. In the West Sin is primarily viewed as a judicial problem and spoken of in judicial language: we have violated God's just law, punishment and restitution are needed. In the East Sin is primarily viewed as a medical problem and spoken of in medical language: we are sick, medicine and healing is what is needed. Medical language actually permeates Christian history. St. Augustine referred to the Church as a hospital for sinners. St. Ignatius of Antioch referred to the Eucharist as medicine of immortality and the antidote against death. The role of the Church therefore is to administer medicine and healing to a sick world and care for them as representatives and ambassadors from Christ, the Great Physician.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I appreciate time and effort you put into your reply ViaCrucis, thanks.

Jesus is God, right? Does that mean God sacrificed for himself? God is everything we see and feel in this world?

When i pray, i pray to God, even though i should be praying to Jesus. But i when i tried praying to Jesus, i did not feel him and i felt like i was praying to no one. Maybe i need time...

Another thing my mind cannot grasp (and probably every other person) is that God is eternal, everlasting.
 
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Here is what i found on one website:

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Then why Jesus died for my sins? Why i must repent and confess? Am i responsible here for sins of my father/s?

As new babies are born, does that mean Jesus died for their sins? Sins that they did not commit?


Isaiah 52 and 53 tells us who is responsible.

He was smitten by God because of you and I. In a nutshell, verse 6 states, "All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Isaiah 53:6

Romans 4:24 and 25 tells us Jesus was delivered up for OUR sins and raised for OUR justification, and Jesus did so willingly (Gal 1:4).

You have your own sins and you know it. You know you there have been times since you've left your mothers womb that you've lied, stolen, lusted after other things and other people, did not love the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. You are not perfect, which is what the Lord requires. You are not responsible for anything your family has done through the years. You must turn from your sin and be forgiven, and there has been provided for you a way to do just that.
 
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That's why i made this poll to know opinions of people here if they don't want to start argument. You are welcome to post your opinion however.

I personally don't at all understand anti-Semitism in Christianity for two reasons:

1) Jesus supposedly had to die according to Christian theology. He had to die so that he could be resurrected. He also had to be crucified in order to fulfill a few prophecies. Blaming the Jews for something that had to happen just seems illogical.

2) I personally don't believe that what my dead relatives did has any bearing on my moral character or person. If my grandfather was a serial killer and rapist, that has no bearing on who I am today. So, ignoring problem number 1, you could blame the crowd that happened to be Jewish who demanded that Pontius Pilate crucify Jesus. But you can't then extrapolate that to current anti-Semitism. Its like blaming all Germans for Hitler's actions; makes no sense.

Here is what i found on one website:

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Interestingly, there isn't much indication that the crowd itself was Jewish. The crowd is described as just that: a crowd. The chief priests and elders seem to be the manipulative ones. And they had a vested interest in getting rid of Jesus; it was selfish and personal. I ultimately can't understand an anti-Semitic interpretation mainly because of my first objection.
 
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Jewish leaders had him killed by Romans 2000 years ago. This doesn't mean you blame all the Jewish people today for killing Jesus. Though I will say that anyone today who hates Jesus and agrees with the Jewish leaders' decision 2000 years ago to have him put to death is dangerously close to sharing responsibility.
 
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Jewish leaders had him killed by Romans 2000 years ago. This doesn't mean you blame all the Jewish people today for killing Jesus. Though I will say that anyone today who hates Jesus and agrees with the Jewish leaders' decision 2000 years ago to have him put to death is dangerously close to sharing responsibility.

While a select number of Jewish leaders conspired to hand Jesus over to the Romans, they had no say on whether He would die. That decision was ultimately Roman. We confess in the Creed, "He suffered under Pontius Pilate" not "He suffered under Caiaphas".

-CryptoLutheran
 
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While a select number of Jewish leaders conspired to hand Jesus over to the Romans, they had no say on whether He would die. That decision was ultimately Roman. We confess in the Creed, "He suffered under Pontius Pilate" not "He suffered under Caiaphas".

-CryptoLutheran
Oh Pilate bears responsibility for his actions - as do the Jewish leaders for not only handing him over to be crucified, but insisting that he be crucified and creating unrest to sway his decision.
 
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Here is what i found on one website:

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Then why Jesus died for my sins? Why i must repent and confess? Am i responsible here for sins of my father/s?

As new babies are born, does that mean Jesus died for their sins? Sins that they did not commit?
Original sin is a man made doctrine. Babies are not guilty of sin. You must repent from and confess your own sin--not the sin of Adam. No you are not responsible for the sins of your father/s.
 
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I appreciate time and effort you put into your reply ViaCrucis, thanks.

Jesus is God, right? Does that mean God sacrificed for himself? God is everything we see and feel in this world?

When i pray, i pray to God, even though i should be praying to Jesus. But i when i tried praying to Jesus, i did not feel him and i felt like i was praying to no one. Maybe i need time...

Another thing my mind cannot grasp (and probably every other person) is that God is eternal, everlasting.
No God is not everything we see and feel in this world. God is the creator of everything we see and feel in this world. We are finite beings with limited understanding. We cannot understand eternal.
 
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