ARE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS ABOLISHED?

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello dqhall, nice to see you here . Some comments for your consideration below

You have repeatedly stated the law is the 10 commandments.

Indeed it is stated as such in God's WORD.

EXODUS 34:28[28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

DEUTERONOMY 4:13 [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

DEUTERONOMY10:4 [4] And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the TEN COMMANDMENTS, which the LORD spoke unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

Rabbi Simlai found 613 commandments in the Torah (five books of Moses). Are you preaching there are only 10 laws?

No. I have always shown from God's WORD alone that the OLD COVENANT is made up of the torah (first 5x books of the bible). What I have been sharing from God's WORD is that God's LAW (10 Commandments) under the OLD COVENANT are only a part of the OLD COVENANT and not all of it like some people teach and think is done away with in the NEW COVENANT.
The OLD COVENANT included both the 10 Commandments and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT for remission of sins. It is the latter they were prophetic in nature pointing to JESUS and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT. This is what is fulfilled as Shadow laws in the NEW COVENANT and NOT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments which give us a KNOWLEDGE of good and evil; SIN and rightouesness (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11).

As shown through the scriptures already, God's 10 Commandments are the ten commandments (Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; Deuteronomy 10:4), not the 613.

You mix up the MOSAIC Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS.

If you rest on the 7th day of the week from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday, but work on the day of Atonement, are you guilty of breaking the law?

Nope. The earlthy Santuary and day of atonement (Leviticus 23:27-32) were for the cleansing or removal of the sins of God's people accumulated over the year. The earthly Sanctuary was only a copy of the Heavenly and was to teach us Christs ministry on our behalf in the HEAVENLY Sanctuary. Under the NEW COVENANT Christ is out great high Priest working on our behalf in the HEAVENLY Sanctuary.

If you do no adultery, but disregard Moses' commandment to stone a woman caught in adultery, are you not keeping the law?

Nope. You are quoting from the CIVIL laws of ISRAEL under the OLD COVENANT we are in the NEW COVENANT now. These CIVIL laws of stoning were applied not just for the 4th Commandment but nearly all the 10 Commandments for anyone found openly breaking them (Leviticus 20:9; Leviticus 24:10-17; Deuteronomy 27:15; Deuteronomy 7:25-26; Deuteronomy 13:6-18; 1 Sammuel 26:19). These are shadow laws pointing to the NEW COVENANT, where the wages of sin is still death to anyone who does not accept the gift of God's dear son (Romans 6:23). Under the NEW COVENANT vengence is the Lord's at the 2nd coming (Romans 12:19)

If you give an offering to a Seventh Day Adventist church, but do not a tithe to a Levite Jew, are you a lawless Gentile?

Nope. You have the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments)

If you do not steal from the supermarket, but make an image with a camera, are you breaking the law against making an image in the likeness of anything in God's creation? That law is one of the ten commandments.

Nope. Never made anything like that to bow down and worshipped them or served them. (Exodus 20:4-5)

If you are not circumcised, you have sinned against the law. If you do not offer animal sacrifices to YHWH, you are a sinner according to the laws in the Bible. [/QUOTE]

You have the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments).

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Acts 15 (KJV)
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written.
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:

ACTS 15 is not saying God's 10 Commandments are abolished the topic of conversation for the chapter is answering the question "IS CIRCUMCISION a requirement for salvation" Acts 15:1. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:16-27). If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

Of course Christ preached against adultery, lust, anger, murder, theft and false witness and these laws are observed by righteous people everywhere. If a Christian thinks he is holier for resting on Saturday instead of Sunday or any other day of the week, I would have to point to scripture:

The same argument can be made if someone is not commiting adulterty. Do you think you are holier then someone if you do not commit adultery and someone else does?

You miss the purpose of the NEW COVENANT promise which is a NEW HEART to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD.

Romans 3:23 (KJV)23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; You cannot be saved by an imperfect law, only by a Holy faith.

Indeed, you have finally posted something we can agree on from God's WORD well done

May God help you as you seek him through his WORD.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello Ron nice to meet you here. Some comments for your consideration below.

FACT: Mankind cannot perfectly keep GOD'S Mosaic 10 COMMANDMENTS !! He is a sinner in need of a Savior!

Indeed, but the GOOD NEWS Brother is that we have a Saviour that wants to save us from sin.

JOHN 8:31-32
[31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
[32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
[33], They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
[34], Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
[35], And the servant stays not in the house for ever: but the Son stays ever.
[36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

Not only does JESUS want to forgive us from sin he wants to cleanse us from it..

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

We need to be Born of God before we can walk in his Spirit..

JOHN 3:3 [3], Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

WHY?

1 JOHN 3:9 [9], Whoever is born of God does not commit [practice] sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

HOW DO WE KNOW IF WE KNOW GOD?

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3],
[3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

In the NT, Jesus confirmed and clarified all 10 except:
1. using God's name in vain
2. remember the Sabbath

Actually no. All the 10 Commandments are confirmed in the NEW TESTAMENT.

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WHAT DID JESUS TEACH ABOUT THE SABBATH?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Revelation 14:12; Rev 22:14; Ezekiel 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22)
9. The Apostles kept the Sabbath after Christs death (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10)

Yep lots of scripture. Maybe you missed it? Thanks for sharing though. May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hi Jason, nice to meet you here. Some comments for your consideration below.

The Law has Changed: The believer in Jesus Christ is under the Commands in the New Testament (that come from Jesus and His followers).

We are indeed in the NEW COVENANT now and not in the OLD COVENANT. Some make the mistake however in mixing up God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) with the Shadow laws for remission of sin from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT which were prophetic in nature pointing to JESUS and God's plan of Salvation which are fulfilled in Christ and points to the NEW COVENANT. Don't forget Jason everyone of God's 10 Commandments from EXODUS 20:1-17 are repeated in the NEW COVENANT by Jesus and the Apostles.

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However, the Mosaic Law (as a whole package deal) no longer exists.

What do you mean by Mosaic law? God's 10 Commandments written on stone are different to the Shadow laws of the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT. Both laws have a different purpose under the OLD COVENANT and collectively made up the OLD COVENANT.

It became obsolete with Christ's death (Hebrews 8:13).

Once again the OLD COVENANT is not only the 10 Commandments it also includes the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT which collectively made up the OLD COVENANT. The OLD COVENANT is made up of the TEN COMMANDMENTS and MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

God's LAW (10 Commandments)..

EXODUS 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote on the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

the Mosaic law..

EXODUS 24 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

It is obvious the Old Law does not still exist because various commands in the New Testament have changed what the Old Law says. For example: Paul says that if you seek to be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

Indeed These are a part of the shadow laws of the MOSAIC BOOK OF COVENANT (not the 10 Commandments). They were shadows pointing to a new heart by faith.

SHADOWS FORTOLD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES….

DEUTERONOMY 30 [6] And the LORD your God will CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.

JEREMIAH 4 [4] CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

DEUTERONOMY 10 [16] CIRCUMCISE therefore THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.

NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…

ROMANS 2 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.
1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

This is the operation of GOD in the NEW COVENANT…

HEBREWS 8 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people

When Jesus died upon the cross, the temple veil was torn letting us know that the laws on the priesthood and the animal sacrifices were no longer valid anymore. Jesus is our Heavenly High Priest and He is our Passover Lamb. Paul says we are no longer to judge according to Sabbaths and holy days. Peter was told to eat unclean animals (Which is a violation of OT Law).

Same as above these are a part of the shadow laws of the MOSAIC BOOK OF COVENANT (not God's 10 Commandments). The MOSAIC laws for remission of sin were shadows pointing to Jesus as our lamb of God's and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT. If you are interested I have comopleted a detailed study on the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT linking OLD and NEW TESTAMENET scripture. There is a lot of scripture showing the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures fulfilled in the NEW.

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But in addition to these moral laws, there were laws (within the Old Law) that were exclusive to the nation of Israel.

Under the NEW COVENANT if you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT. Gentiles are now grafted in (Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 11:16-27)

These are ceremonial laws (like the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, the dietary laws, animal sacrifices involving a priesthood) and civil laws (like on how to manage farming etc.)

Here you are getting God's eternal laws mixed up with the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. Where is circumcision and the dietry laws written in the 10 commandments as well as the ceremonial and civil laws? All God's Commandments are not ceremonial laws. These are from the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT. God's LAWS are MORAL laws. The first 4 are our duty of LOVE to GOD and the 2nd six are our duty of LOVE to our fellow man (Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10).

There were a total of 613 Commands in the Old Testament Law of Moses.

Indeed God's LAW 10 commandments only has 10 (Exodus 20:1-17) You are mixing up God's eternal laws with the Shadow laws from the Mosaic book of the covenant.

Believers today are under the New Testament (i.e. the New Covenant) with new laws (Which would include God's Eternal Moral Laws). Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed (along with the change of the priesthood).

Indeed we are in the NEW COVENANT now. The change of law being referred to in Hebrews 7 is in reference to the Mosaic Shadow laws and the Levitical priesthood. No more sacrifices and offerings. Jesus is now our great high priest of the order of Melchisedek (Hebrews 5:10; 6:20; 7:1) The scripture quoted before the verse in your post verifies this and shows context.

HEBREWS 7:11 [11] If therefore perfection were by the LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

This is not talking about the 10 Commandment. It is talking about the laws of the priesthood see Leviticus 16.

Jesus did not come to abrogate God's Eternal Moral Laws (like do not murder, do not hate, do not commit adultery, do not steal, etc.). Jesus nailed to the cross those ordinances that were against us (like the Saturday Sabbath, the death penalty for disobeying God's laws, circumcision, the dietary laws, etc.)

Your repeating yourself here a bit Jason. Where does it say in scripture that God's 4th Commandment of the ten commandments is an ordinance? Where does it say in all of God's WORD that the 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? All of God's 10 Commandments are MORAL laws of our duty to God and out neighbor.

See Colossians 2:14-17.

COL 2 is talking about the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVANANT the chapter context v11-14 is the Shadow laws of CIRCUMCISION and BAPTISM v14 dogma means civil cermonial and ecclesiastical law that were erased (blotted out) at Christs death along with our sins (he is our true sacrifice that these all pointed to). v16-17 is the annual festivals of Leviticus 23 shadows fulfilled in Christ and God's plan of salvation (not all fulfilled as yet some are) These has annual festival Sabbath which were connected to these feast days that could fall on any day of the week depending on the year. These were ceremonial Sabbaths. Not God's 4th Commandment.

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Jesus says, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." (Matthew 5:17). So Jesus did not come to destroy all Law and it's consequences but He came to fulfill them into their true intended purpose with the commands given to us within the New Testament. These many commands in the NT are based on love. Love God and love your neighbor.

Indeed, you left out v18-19 For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Heaven and earth have not passed away. The Shadow laws for remission of sin from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT are fulfilled in Christ and point to God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT. Not to get this mixed up with God's eternal LAW (10 Commandments) that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is under the NEW COVENANT and lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith (Romans 3:20; Galatials 3:24).

In the life of a Christian God's LAW (10 Commandments) is not ABOLSIHED but fulfilled by faith that works by LOVE. This is the NEW COVENANT promise. (Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; Matthew 22:36-40)

Speaking more on the Sabbath command: Well, the Sabbath command (from the OT) is a ceremonial Law and not a Moral Law.

Not really. All of God's 10 Commandment are MORAL laws not ceremonial laws. The first 4 being our duty to GOD and the second six our duty of LOVE to our neighbor.

Nowhere do we see it commanded by Jesus or His followers that we must continue to keep the Saturday Sabbath command.

Actually no. Jesus taught the true meaning of the Sabbath and that it was lawful to do Good on the Sabbath rebuking the teachings and traditions of the Pharasees (Matthew 12:1-12). He taught he is the LORD of the SABBATH (creator God) and that he made it for all mankind [not the Jew or Israel] and the man was not created for the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28). Jesus and all the disciples and Apostles kept the Sabbath.

Nowhere in all of God's WORD does it say that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a teaching and tradition of men that breaks the commandments of God.

In fact, Paul teaches that we are not to judge according to Sabbaths.

Indeed not juding someone according to a Sabbath does not say it has been abolsihed now does it? Your reference however is to the OLD testament shadow Sabbaths not God's 4th commandment

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So this means the Sabbath is no longer binding anymore. In other words, only 9 out of the 10 Commandments are still in effect.

Please show the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? There is no such thing as the 9 commandments.

Jason thanks for sharing your thoughts. I hope this is helpful and clears up any misunderstandings you may have.

May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The NT scriptures tell us what sin is AND God has written His law on our hearts.

Indeed...

WHAT IS SIN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES?

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to our neighbor in v11

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1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

John is saying the same thing as James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context shortly which give the example in v15 of MURDER God's 6th Command of the 10.

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ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Context is v9; both Jew and Greek ALL under SIN, v10 None are righteous no not one, v11 None seek after God, v12 All have gone out of the way, there is none that does good [χρηστότης means MORAL excellence]. v13-18 Peace they have not known, destruction is in their way; they do not fear God. Now the CONTEXT is there is none that do GOOD which is in reference to χρηστότης MORAL excellence. Now let's look at v19-20

ROMANS 3:19-21
[19] Now we know that whatsoever things the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Context is no one does good χρηστότης MORAL excellence. God's LAW (10 Commandments) are the standard of RIGHTEOUSNESS.

PSALMS 119:172 [172], My tongue shall speak of your word: for all your commandments are righteousness [צדק; tsedeq means; the right natural, moral or legal; also (abstractly) equity or (figuratively) prosperity: - X even, (X that which is altogether) just (-ice), ([un-]) right (-eous) (cause, -ly, -ness)].

RIGHTEOUSNESS צדק; tsedeq in God's LAW is the standard of χρηστότης; MORAL excellence

The CONTEXT then is doing GOOD in reference to God's LAW (10 Commandments) v19 that is defines SIN and makes all the world guilty before GOD.

[20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

No one is justified by God's LAW which is the standard of RIGHTEOUSNESS [Moral excellence and Good] because if broken it gives us a KNOWLEDGE of sin. Already defined in James as breaking any of God's 10 Commandments.

[21], But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

God's LAW is the standard of RIGHTOEUSNESS (Psalms 119:172) MORAL EXCELLENCE standard of what is GOOD. The RIGHTOUENESS of GOD outside of the LAW being witnessed by the LAW and the prophets v22 which is by FAITH in Christ; WHY? v23 because ALL HAVE SINNED broken God's LAW. v24-28 we are only made righteous by faith in Christ without the deeds of the law. v31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

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CONCLUSION: PAUL, JAMES and JOHN all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN. All three use example of breaking the 10 Commandments as what defines sin.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Didn't Paul cover this at the council in Jerusalem? When the Jewish Christians wanted to enforce the ten commandments on the Gentile Christians. Paul said " Why place a burden on them that we ourselves were not able to bare". Seems that throughout the centuries churches have used the ten commandments as a rod to beat those who stumble rather than encouraging them to follow what Jesus said, "Love the lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul. And love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets".

Hi Jeff nice to meet you here

Many are taught that from their Churches but short answer is NO that was in relation to the JEWS trying to force CIRCUMCISION from the Mosaic BOOK of the COVENANT on the new gentile converts. The topic was never about the 10 Commandments like some pretend it is.

Acts 15:1-2
[1] And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brothers, and said, EXCEPT YOU BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES YOU CANNOT BE SAVED
[2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, THEY DETERMINED THAT PAUL AND BARNABAS AND CERTAIN OTHER OF THEM SHOULD GO UP TO JERUSALEM TO THE APOSTLES ABOUT THIS QUESTION.

WHICH QUESTION?

Weather CIRCUMCISION was a requirement for salvation. CIRCUMCISION in the NEW COVENANT was a shadow law pointing to a NEW HEART..

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OLD SHADOW OF CIRCUMCISION POINTING TO THE NEW

DEUTERONOMY 30 [6] And the LORD your God will CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.

JEREMIAH 4 [4] CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

DEUTERONOMY 10 [16] CIRCUMCISE therefore THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.

NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…

ROMANS 2 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.
1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

This is the operation of GOD in the NEW COVENANT…

HEBREWS 8 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The old covenant was made obsolete, with a change in the high priest of a necessity there is a change in the law, the new covenant.

Heb 8:12 because I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawlessnesses I will remember no more;' --
Heb 8:13 in the saying `new,' He hath made the first old, and what doth become obsolete and is old is nigh disappearing.

Indeed. Many do not know what makes up the OLD COVENANT and are confused about the NEW. HEBREWS 8 is talking about a change of the LEVITICAL Priesthood and Sanctuary laws for remission of sin from the Shadow laws for remission of sin from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT, (Leviticus 16) not the 10 Commandments. Under the NEW COVENANT God's LAW is to be written on the HEART through faith to LOVE and LOVE is the FULFILLING of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE God's WORD (Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 3:31)

Hope this helps.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Romans


For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Talking about the ceremonial law (sanctuary law) not the 10 commandments.

 

[JLB777]

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.

Whenever I find a person state their opinion, then tag it with a scripture reference, I know they are hiding the truth.

The when they "tag" a whole chapter reference without a verse, you really know that are not being truthful.


Here I will quote the entire Chapter 4 of the book of Hebrews, and you can point out for us where Paul teaches people to keep the Sabbath.

Maybe you could start by just pointing out the word "Sabbath" in Hebrews 4.



Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
The Word Discovers Our Condition
Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Our Compassionate High Priest
Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Hebrews 4:1-16




JLB

 

[Original Happy Camper]

For all who think the 10 commandments have been done away with please explain these verses as to what they mean to us.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Deuteronomy 8:3
And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.


Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Exodus 20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lordwill not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

May God Bless you all

 

[JLB777]

For all who think the 10 commandments have been done away with please explain these verses as to what they mean to us.

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Deuteronomy 8:3
And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.


Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Exodus 20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lordwill not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

May God Bless you all

Ok, then you need to keep this commandment of the Sabbath -


Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:15



Do you keep this word of the Lord that proceeded out of His mouth?




JLB

 

[Hank77]

Indeed. Many do not know what makes up the OLD COVENANT and are confused about the NEW. HEBREWS 8 is talking about a change of the LEVITICAL Priesthood and Sanctuary laws for remission of sin from the Shadow laws for remission of sin from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT, (Leviticus 16) not the 10 Commandments.

I already posted the scriptures which clearly say that the 10 Commandments are the Old Covenant.
I know that is a hard saying for 7th day sabbath keeper's.

The Old Covenant that was made obsolete and was fading away between the day of our Lord's death and the total destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Let's be clear, this thread is not about the Ten Commandments, it's about one specific commandment: the commandment to keep the Sabbath.

But there's more than just one commandment, and more than just ten commandments, the Torah consists of 613 commandments which God handed down through Moses for the nation of Israel as part of the covenant He established with them at Mt. Horeb.

If the Torah is applicable, then all of it is applicable. Not just the particular commandment that the Sabbatarians happen to fetishize.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Hello brother Hank77, nice to meet you here.

What is the purpose of the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT and God's 10 Commandments?
Many mix up the Shadow laws of the MOSAIC BOOK OF OF THE COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW that give us a knowledge of what sin is and are the very standard of the OLD and NEW COVENANT and the judgment to come. God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Gentiles are now grafted in (Romans 3:20; Romans 11:16-27)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and nice to see you.

Just because your sect claims the ten commandments are somehow different than the rest of the 603 laws given by God to Israel doesn't make it so.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Ron Gurley]

Nowhere does Jesus repeat the commands:

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

Do not use the LORD's name in vain.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

 

[corinth77777]

Talking about the ceremonial law (sanctuary law) not the 10 commandments.

All means all

 

[corinth77777]

INDEED that is where God's LAW is pointing us. The scripture however is not suggesting in any way that God's LAW is ABOLISHED as it was then disagree with so many scriptures in the NEW TESTAMENT

The GREEK word used for END of the law is τέλος means to set out for a definite point or goal or this is where God's LAW is leading you.

This is similar to PAUL's writings in GALATIANS

GALATIANS 3:24 [24] Therefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

This is where God's LAW is bringing us, we are all sinners in need of a Saviour. God's LAW leads us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.

Thanks for your thoughts and nice to meet you here

Agreed, I explained the meaning in another post. The Law is not the source but course of salvation. Yet we don't keep the law by trying to keep it.... The tree is made good so that it naturally bares good fruit.
Another words when the heart is made right the deeds naturally follow.
Which means if we are good we do not think of doing bad...If we do not think of doing bad then one naturally upholds the Law.

 

[corinth77777]

Nowhere does Jesus repeat the commands:

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.

Do not use the LORD's name in vain.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

I believe Christ is our rest ...as in the book of Hebrews...

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Ok, then you need to keep this commandment of the Sabbath -


Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:15



Do you keep this word of the Lord that proceeded out of His mouth?



JLB

Yes I do Keep His word as properly understood, which by your reply and quoting the scripture you do not understand the true meaning of that scripture.

Example
Just as he told Adam and Eve

Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The verse you quoted says that those that violate the Sabbath will be put to death. But if we repent GOD is a forgiving GOD.
Hebrews 8:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

It is a sin to violate the 4th commandment.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Unrepentant sinners do not inherit the Kingdom of GOD

Psalm 24 King James Version (KJV)
3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord? or who shall stand in his holy place?
4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.

 

[corinth77777]

Delete

 

[corinth77777]

Yes I do Keep His word as properly understood, which by your reply and quoting the scripture you do not understand the true meaning of that scripture.

Example
Just as he told Adam and Eve

Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The verse you quoted says that those that violate the Sabbath will be put to death. But if we repent GOD is a forgiving GOD.
Hebrews 8:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

It is a sin to violate the 4th commandment.

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Unrepentant sinners do not inherit the Kingdom of GOD

Psalm 24 King James Version (KJV)
3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord? or who shall stand in his holy place?
4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.

Sabbath keepings all fall under the law of works. Jesus didn't just die for part of divisions of the Law. He died for all transgression of the Law.
So Hebrews responds that those who cease from their works have entered His rest.
So How do we cease from our works to obtain salvation ? By Grace through Faith.