Are creationists dwindling in number?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Ya ... after we declared our independence, we memorialized it:


Later, our creationists had to defend that phrase against the evolutionists in another major war, in which God intervened and smoked the evolutionists.

But the tares have grown back again and are threatening to choke the wheat, and God is going to repeat Himself at Armageddon for those who have forgotten what creationism is.

Amein.

It was thought to be "the last days" in Jesus's day (even the Bible writers indicated as such) and every generation since has claimed their own was the "end times" when that failed. Been wrong every time.

They were right all the time - as Jesus said of them, and you keep scoffing at.

God told us all about people like you in the last days, more than 2k years ago.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days Scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of His coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Scoffers are unbelievers and don't believe Jesus is going to return so they mock His Holy Word.

Yes, since the Biblical days there were scoffers - the same as now, today >>

There's been scoffers since the Biblical days too, you know.

Scoffers today still reject Jesus, and deny His Word, yes.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

First they will scream and call names and then they will see that God's Truth is the Truth scientifically and they won't know what to say.

Nah - already been addressed, for years - they just continue denying God's Word, daily, even on this forum - there's nothing to stop them nor to silence them, until Jesus returns.

 

[Seejer]

It shows that we live in a Multiverse. Want a picture of the last time we bumped into another Cosmos? which is proof of God's Truth in Genesis. Amen?

Was this the time pastor Mboro got his pictures ?

Pastor went to heaven and took pics to prove it

 

[Aman777]

Nah - already been addressed, for years - they just continue denying God's Word, daily, even on this forum - there's nothing to stop them nor to silence them, until Jesus returns.

Amen, but the way I look at it, when Heaven is filled with Christians, we will all fly away in our perfect bodies to be with Jesus forever. So I hope that the last sinner to be saved before Jesus comes, is soon, today, now, I'm ready. God Bless you

 

[bhsmte]

Nah - already been addressed, for years - they just continue denying God's Word, daily, even on this forum - there's nothing to stop them nor to silence them, until Jesus returns.

Ok. Let us know when that happens.

 

[juvenissun]

From 2005 (Public Divided on Origins of Life), the % of people who believed humans were created in their present form:

• < 30 - 37%
• 30-49 - 40%
• 50-64 - 44%
• 65+ - 50%

Meanwhile, by 2013 (Public’s Views on Human Evolution):

• 18-29 - 27%
• 30-49 - 33%
• 50-64 - 35%
• 65+ - 36%

Thanks. I do see a significant INCREASE of creationists across the board. Don't you? Young:Old jumped from 37%:50% to 27%:36%.

 

[mark kennedy]

Thanks. I do see a significant INCREASE of creationists across the board. Don't you? Young:Old jumped from 37%:50% to 27%:36%.

That's kind of how statistics jump around, the number of Christians who identify themselves as evangelical went from 42% to 47%, then to 40% in a year. These polls have a tendency to jump around a bit.

 

[pitabread]

Thanks. I do see a significant INCREASE of creationists across the board. Don't you? Young:Old jumped from 37%:50% to 27%:36%.

Those statistics are divided among generational cohorts. So yes, in a given poll it appears that more old people believe in creationism than younger people.

However, as older people age and die, the trend is a shift in an overall decline in creationist beliefs. Which is what the 2013 numbers show.

For example, 65+ age group went from 50% belief in 2005 down to only 36% in 2013. The 50-64 age group went from 44% (2005) down to 35% (2013). And so on.

The trend in both sets of data (Gallup and Pew Research) points to declining creationist beliefs.

 

[juvenissun]

For example, 65+ age group went from 50% belief in 2005 down to only 36% in 2013.

OK, how did the young people change during this period of time? Which one is changing faster?

 

[juvenissun]

That's kind of how statistics jump around, the number of Christians who identify themselves as evangelical went from 42% to 47%, then to 40% in a year. These polls have a tendency to jump around a bit.

Thanks. I am just kidding around.

 

[Northwest Savant]

Keep in mind, in this thread we are talking about estimating general frequency of belief systems in the broad population; a little bit different than trying to predict an uncertain future event.

We're also not talking about a single poll here. I've referenced two Pew Research polls in this thread, and data from thirteen Gallup polls over time, all which paint the same picture: creationist beliefs are on the decline.

Like I stated before, I have never been polled with that question by "any other poll". I have been called on the telephone and polled as to whom I will be voting for in an election.

By the way, here is how the polling had taken place:
Survey Methods
Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted May 3-7, 2017, with a random sample of 1,011 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. For results based on the total sample of national adults, the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting.
Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 70% cellphone respondents and 30% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by time zone within region. Landline and cellular telephone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods.

I guess if they called my cell phone, I didn't answer. I don't answer unknown callers. I was not one of the 1,011 adults called.

 

[pitabread]

Like I stated before, I have never been polled with that question by "any other poll".

So? How is this relevant?

 

[pitabread]

OK, how did the young people change during this period of time? Which one is changing faster?

I posted all the data available back in that post you replied to: Are creationists dwindling in number?

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's only one of my scientific proofs which confirms the agreement of Scripture and Science. Here is another:

Genesis 1:8 shows us that God the Trinity made 1 Heaven on the 2nd Day.
Genesis 2:4 shows us that Lord God made other HeavenS on the 3rd Day.

It shows that we live in a Multiverse. Want a picture of the last time we bumped into another Cosmos? which is proof of God's Truth in Genesis. Amen?

Sorry, you do not seem to understand what the word "proof" means since you do not even have any evidence. Once again all you have is hand waving, reinterpretation, and verses out of context.

 

[Northwest Savant]

So? How is this relevant?

No one that is a creationist under the same statistical circumstances as myself were included in the polling. Only those that answer their cell phones from unknown callers, and like to have their time interrupted by a polling agency will be included in the polling. Furthermore, common sense would lead me to believe that cell phone use is greater than in the past, less elderly persons probably use cell phones, yet may actually be more willing to participate in a polling questionnaire. This is relevant because 1,011 adults just do not seem to me to logically make a difference especially given that the graph shows that between 1981 to 2017, the percentage of adults believing in creation that were polled increased five times over a previous poling.
In US, Belief in Creationist View of Humans at New Low

 

[pitabread]

No one that is a creationist under the same statistical circumstances as myself were included in the polling. Only those that answer their cell phones from unknown callers, and like to have their time interrupted by a polling agency will be included in the polling. Furthermore, common sense would lead me to believe that cell phone use is greater than in the past, less elderly persons probably use cell phones, yet may actually be more willing to participate in a polling questionnaire. This is relevant because 1,011 adults just do not seem to me to logically make a difference especially given that the graph shows that between 1981 to 2017, the percentage of adults believing in creation that were polled increased five times over a previous poling.
In US, Belief in Creationist View of Humans at New Low

I think you're really reaching here.

 

[pitabread]

What atheists mean, for the most par is blind watchmaker evolution which is distinct. #4 explains your examples without having to plummet to #6.

Opposition to evolution is centered around #5 & 6. Not 1, 2, or 3.

First of all, this has nothing to do with atheism. Science is agnostic when it comes to the supernatural by its very nature; science cannot make any claims one way or another about the supernatural. Ultimately, that's up to personal belief.

Second, I've always found it amusing this attempts at "compartmentalizing" science into what creationists find acceptable and unacceptable. Especially since such compartmentalization doesn't exist in practice. Regardless, part of what is an applied science includes phylogenetic applications involving common descent relationships that creationists tend to reject. And naturally this includes humans sharing evolutionary relationships with other primates; exactly what was applied in one of the papers I linked (on phylogenetic shadowing).

If you'd like to believe that all of the applied evolution is the kind creationists are completely kosher with, that's your choice. But I think you'd be surprised when you start digging into this stuff and find out otherwise.

 

[Northwest Savant]

I think you're really reaching here.

the graph shows that between 1981 to 2017, the percentage of adults believing in creation that were polled increased five times over a previous poling.
In US, Belief in Creationist View of Humans at New Low

Look at the graph......
It's hard to get the exact year from the graph, but there was:
1. an increase to 47% from a lower percentage around 1983;
2. an increase to 47% from a lower percentage around 2000;
3. an increase to 46% from a lower percentage around 2006;
4. an increase to 44% from a lower percentage around 2008;
5. an increase to 46% from a lower percentage around 2012;

I stated above "five times over a previous poling." Is it really reaching here? 5 still equals 5 right?

How about this.....
That same graph shows that from the first year that the poll appears in the graph in 1981, the percentage of believers in creationism was 44%.
Around 2012, that's 31 years later, the poll shows that the percentage had increased to 46%.
THAT'S RIGHT AN INCREASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the pollster is the one actually "reaching" here.

 

[pitabread]

That same graph shows that from the first year that the poll appears in the graph in 1981, the percentage of believers in creationism was 44%.
Around 2012, that's 31 years later, the poll shows that the percentage had increased to 46%.
THAT'S RIGHT AN INCREASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the pollster is the one actually "reaching" here.

You do realize that there is a margin of error associated with statistical polls right? Simply comparing one data point to the next isn't a good way of looking for a broader trend.

This is why I previously computed a 3 point moving average (unweighted) from the Gallup data between 1993 to 2017. It smooths out the fluctuations and shows a marked decline in creationist beliefs during that time frame.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No one that is a creationist under the same statistical circumstances as myself were included in the polling. Only those that answer their cell phones from unknown callers, and like to have their time interrupted by a polling agency will be included in the polling. Furthermore, common sense would lead me to believe that cell phone use is greater than in the past, less elderly persons probably use cell phones, yet may actually be more willing to participate in a polling questionnaire. This is relevant because 1,011 adults just do not seem to me to logically make a difference especially given that the graph shows that between 1981 to 2017, the percentage of adults believing in creation that were polled increased five times over a previous poling.
In US, Belief in Creationist View of Humans at New Low

Do you seriously think that polling agencies have not adapted their methods of polling over the years?

The more obvious answer is that education is winning the day. It is getting harder and harder to hide one's head in the sand.