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It is somewhat true. Because Charismatics do not need to be theological and philosophical about little everything. They just want to the simple things. They are satisfied. There is joy in being satisfied with that.Much to our shame, charismatics tend not to be deep thinkers. There are a couple of things that bear this out.
MikeMcK said:Why can't you classify teaching that says that Jesus was a sinner Who had to suffer in Hell false?
That's heresy, isn't it?
Well... I guess Jesus, Paul, Luke, and all the rest were heretics then. Not to mention those who wrote the apostles creed and the millions of people who have expressed faith in it. But of course no one says Jesus was a "sinner." That is just typical hype designed to make what we believe to be something bad. The scripture says He was made sin for us. You really cannot escape that.MikeMcK said:Why can't you classify teaching that says that Jesus was a sinner Who had to suffer in Hell false?
That's heresy, isn't it?
It means Word of Faith Lee. And I'm sure some of these others can explain it a little better than I but basically, the way I like to describe it is: WOF is choosing to believe what the Word of God says and acting and standing upon what the Word of God says, regardless of what my circumstances say.Lee said:I am new into these conversations. What is "WOF"?
Hebrews 7:28
For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever.
1 Corinthians 1:30
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
Acts 3:14
"But you disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked for a murderer to be granted to you,
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Therefore, since Christ has suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same purpose, because he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,
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1 John 2:1
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
[/size][size=-1]Was Jesus a slave to sin? Did He pay the wages of sin, or did He rise again?[/size][size=-1]John 8:34
Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
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For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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[/size][size=-1]1 Corinthians 15:17
and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
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True. That is what I always have believe in my whole life as a Christian.But he was made sin for us at the cross, so that we might take on his righteousness. In other words, he bore our sins.
It is also heresy to say God is a brazillian cowboy... and I do not know anyone who teaches that either. So what is your point? Who said Jesus was a sinner? Why bring it up here?Lotar said:It certiantly is heresy to claim that Jesus was a sinner.
Christ never sinned, that is stated repeatedly in scripture. Jesus was God made flesh.
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It seems like this topic belongs to the theological section.It is also heresy to say God is a brazillian cowboy... and I do not know anyone who teaches that either. So what is your point? Who said Jesus was a sinner? Why bring it up here?
MikeMck, you appear to be under some misapprehension. The WoF teachers do not claim that Christ Himself actually sinned. I suggest you see for yourself what they teach, rather than collect your opinions from websites of dubious integrity (?). Regarding Christ's descent into hell, I disagree with their assertion that the sufferings of Christ continued beyond the cross. However, the charge of heresy seems somewhat overtrumped. A similar line of reasoning regarding the sufferings of Christ can be found in the writings of John Calvin [1]. Furthermore, those in the Word of faith movement who do teach that Christ suffered in hell (not all do) never fail to exalt the blood of Christ and its power to cleanse from sin. It is my contention (and I am not alone in this) that they are not obstructing the appropriation of forgiveness and salvation through the cross [2].MikeMcK said:Why can't you classify teaching that says that Jesus was a sinner Who had to suffer in Hell false?
That's heresy, isn't it?
Actually they do teach that He became a sinner based on a serious misapplication of 1Col 5. I wrote a very long and detailed post going point by point over what they teach and how it contradicts scripture but it was deleted, claiming that simply following the Biblical command to examine teaching in light of scripture is now tantamount to "denigrating Christian groups".Theophilus7 said:MikeMck, you appear to be under some misapprehension. The WoF teachers do not claim that Christ Himself actually sinned.
Actually, I know from the years I spent in the Wof movement what they teach, thank you, and I was prepared to detail them from the teachers' own words but evidently, sound doctrine isn't a priority here. As I've explained countless times, their teachings that I quote come directly from their words as found in their books, tapes, etc.I suggest you see for yourself what they teach, rather than collect your opinions from websites of dubious integrity (?).
Brother,MikeMcK said:Actually they do teach that He became a sinner based on a serious misapplication of 1Col 5. I wrote a very long and detailed post going point by point over what they teach and how it contradicts scripture but it was deleted, claiming that simply following the Biblical command to examine teaching in light of scripture is now tantamount to "denigrating Christian groups".
Actually, I know from the years I spent in the Wof movement what they teach, thank you, and I was prepared to detail them from the teachers' own words but evidently, sound doctrine isn't a priority here. As I've explained countless times, their teachings that I quote come directly from their words as found in their books, tapes, etc.
So with that, I am leaving. I cannot stay in a forum where I am confronted with heresy and am not allowed to confront it with scripture.
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