A child is born knowing nothing. Learning everything from those in the world. There is no chance in hell that the Lord would damn a new born or unborn child.
That's not the question, however.
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A child is born knowing nothing. Learning everything from those in the world. There is no chance in hell that the Lord would damn a new born or unborn child.
In order for an infant to be a sinner requires that it have language and cognitive skills to understand God's word, God's law, understand what faith is, understand what is righteous and unrighteous and infants cannot possible have this type of understanding the bible requires for one to be accountable to God.
You posted "A child will disobey as soon as he learns the meaning of "do not."" If this were the case, then you are describing what a child BECOMES not how it was when it was born.
Man is not born with a nature that forces him to sin against his will. Such an idea makes man a victim of sin and not responsible for his sin. Man is responsible for his sins for he chooses of his own will to sin.
romans 3:10 quotes "None is righteousness, no not one" but that would have to include the 5 minute old foetus as well as the murder. What does this mean, or is it a bad translation?
No one seeks God, no one understands. It just sounds like hyperbole.
Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
romans 3:10 quotes "None is righteousness, no not one" but that would have to include the 5 minute old foetus as well as the murder. What does this mean, or is it a bad translation?
No one seeks God, no one understands. It just sounds like hyperbole.
Nay,this is indeed the correct scripture but not fitted to your "subject" a child that is not born or likewise a child that dies before an age of sin accountability,is therefore "Welcomed by God into heaven with open arms" for the child has no parent in essence as well as that the child can hardly do a willful sin,according to of course your lifespan given of the child,it's the same as asking was Jesus unrighteous,because a child being born into sin only means the child is "capable" of sin,but not held accountable nor considered unrighteous,this is why despite popular"doctrine" babies have no need to be baptized or sprinkled for they have not "known"'sin,therefore they Are Righteous it is when they have lived enough to account for sin that they have a need of any form of baptism(including baptism of the holy spirit)your quote of scripture is "True" but you have yet to "allow"the holy spirit to guide you to answers,anyone can quote scripture yet not grasp what it "truly" means as with this scripture you quoted,when it is stated,"there is none righteous no not one" the scripture is referring to everyone who is born into sin and are "able" to account for their sin once past the time of "innocence" in their lives,I encourage you to seek out the holy spirit for answers when reading the bible,and "let" him teach you,using one's own knowledge concerning God's word particularly is when we all confound ourselves because to read God's word you must read it in a"spiritual" instead of a "natural" sense,it's not like a normal book or newspaper that you just read it and understand it,it takes time and willingness to learn even a portion of it.
I have found not one verse in the Bible that support an age of accountability. Moreover, following your logic, Christians should be the greatest supporters of abortion, since it is the greatest Heaven filling method. That, of course, is complete nonsense.
a babies brain is still developing and therefore the child is more instinctual until intellectual, and requires upbringing from Good Christians. Or they may be raised into a sinful culture. Like cannibals?
First define righteous. We are justified by faith. How could a baby have faith?romans 3:10 quotes "None is righteousness, no not one" but that would have to include the 5 minute old foetus as well as the murder. What does this mean, or is it a bad translation?
No one seeks God, no one understands. It just sounds like hyperbole.
Your abortion concept is of course evil since it's killing and therefore void of Christianity.
It's just a question of nature versus nurture. What I would ask you, from your position, is what age will that baby be in Heaven? Either it remains a slobbering immature baby, or it becomes an adult with the mind of a baby, or it becomes an adult with the mind of an adult. If it gets the mind of an adult, then one wonders which kind of mind it will have, but more importantly why it will have that kind of mind. Your position favors nurture over nature, but if the child goes straight to adulthood at the resurrection, then there is no nurture. If the child grows into adulthood in Heaven, then it gets an unfair advantage over the poor souls like us who had to develop in a corrupt world. Also, if it does grow up in Heaven, then it is assumed to turn out well simply because it grew up in Heaven, with no opportunity to do otherwise.
An acorn is a tree, even though it doesn't look like one yet.
God seems to be quick to blood shed and anger.
There seem to be action before forgiveness.
That is exactly my point to demonstrate that the Bible does not say that babies are born without sin.
Conceived in innocence and/or age of accountability are not Biblical concepts.
romans 3:10 quotes "None is righteousness, no not one" but that would have to include the 5 minute old foetus as well as the murder. What does this mean, or is it a bad translation?
No one seeks God, no one understands. It just sounds like hyperbole.
Let me ask you this then, what sin are you accusing babies of? Because I don't see them sinning, and if you know what their thinking or feeling please let me know?
No one is righteous meaning that we are all born with a sinful nature. Sooner or later, we will sin. But sin is an act that must be repented.
Babies know what they are doing is wrong, but they don't know that it is a sin that needs to be repented of unless it's told to them. If a baby has the capacity to lie, they have the capacity to repent. If it's a 5 month fetus, what can it possibly do to sin?
I never claimed that I was omniscient. I know their sins no more than I know yours or anyone. But they are conceived and born with an Adamic nature (inherently sinful, not inherently good), because that is what the word of God says.
Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—
And if babies are conceived/born without sin, then they would have no reason to die.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 3:10-12 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one; (11) no one understands; no one seeks for God. (12) All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
I see no exceptions mentioned in those 2 verses above.
Romans 9:13-23 As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." (14) What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! (15) For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." (16) So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. (17) For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." (18) So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. (19) You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" (20) But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" (21) Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? (22) What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, (23) in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—