ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

[SabbathBlessings]

Do you know when the Bible was chosen and compiled? The books were written in the first century but were not put together and chosen as the canon that we know as the Bible today until the Councils of Rome (382 AD), Hippo (393 AD), and Carthage (397 AD) which formally recognized the 27 books of the New Testament. The 39 books of the OT merely came from the Jewish canon. So until then there was no compiled Bible but only the books circulating the churches.

Did you know that Jesus and the apostles were all reading and living by the OT Bible why so many "It is writtens" in NT. Including what Jesus quoted from the OT, when He was tempted by the other spirit trying to draw Him away, He relied on the Scriptures and told man to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Do you know how many Texts on the Sabbath that God spoke? That most man is trying to draw us away from, something God said remember- teaching to do the opposite. So when man writes something that is away from the law and testimony I would consider the warning Isa8:20.

Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

 

[Studyman]

Do you know when the Bible was chosen and compiled? The books were written in the first century but were not put together and chosen as the canon that we know as the Bible today until the Councils of Rome (382 AD), Hippo (393 AD), and Carthage (397 AD) which formally recognized the 27 books of the New Testament. The 39 books of the OT merely came from the Jewish canon. So until then there was no compiled Bible but only the books circulating the churches.

Actually, according to what is actually written, Paul called the Law and Prophets "The Gospel of Christ" where the righteousness and the wrath of God is revealed, where it is written within, "The Just shall Live by Faith".

The Church of God, under His New High Priest, the Christ Jesus, existed and grew for several years while Paul and the mainstream religions of his time were still persecuting the "Church of God". Both Jesus and Peter and John the Baptist, promoted the same Gospel of Christ that was given to Israel, but rejected because of unbelief.


After Paul's conversion several years later, Paul taught both Jew and Gentile from the Law and Prophets, to repent, turn to God and bring forth works worthy of repentance, before any of his letters were even written. Paul told Timothy;

2 Tim. 2: 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Zacharias, Simeon and Anna exhibited that Faith, as did David and Shadrack and Daniel long before Matthew's eyewitness account was written, or Paul's Letters were even known about.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished "unto all good works".

There is no way Timothy or Zacharias had the Testimony we have today.

It's important to include and consider some of these truths when studying the Bible.

 

[Hentenza]

Did you know that Jesus and the apostles were all reading and living by the OT Bible why so many "It is writtens" in NT. Including what Jesus quoted from the OT, when He was tempted by the other spirit trying to draw Him away, He relied on the Scriptures and told man to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

Nah. The apostles were in the process of writing the new covenant expressed in the 27 books of the New Testament. The apostles exhorted the Christian that they did not have to convert to the Jewish faith before becoming Christians. The early Christian church used the Jewish canon as Christological pointing to fulfilled prophesies about the coming of Christ primarily. The law was not taught as part of the early Christian teachings because the Christian is not under the law. Therefore, the Jewish Sabbath, and all the laws related to it, are not required if the Christian.

““Come to Me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is comfortable, and My burden is light.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭28‬-‭30‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 11:28-30 “Come to Me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. For My yoke | New American Standard Bible -

“Come to Me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. For My yoke

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We rest in Jesus.

 

[Hentenza]

Actually, according to what is actually written, Paul called the Law and Prophets "The Gospel of Christ"

Citation please.

where the righteousness and the wrath of God is revealed, where it is written within, "The Just shall Live by Faith".

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written: “But the righteous one will live by faith.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith | New American Standard Bible - NA

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith

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The gospel here refers to:

“Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, who was declared the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles in behalf of His name, among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 1:1-6 Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, who was born | New American Standard Bible - NASB

Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, who was born

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The prophets here refers to those that prophesied the coming of Christ.

The Church of God, under His New High Priest, the Christ Jesus, existed and grew for several years while Paul and the mainstream religions of his time were still persecuting the "Church of God". Both Jesus and Peter and John the Baptist, promoted the same Gospel of Christ that was given to Israel, but rejected because of unbelief.

The early church did not persecute the Jews. The Jews were cut off the tree and the time of the gentiles ushered in. The title of church of God refers to the Christian church.

After Paul's conversion several years later, Paul taught both Jew and Gentile from the Law and Prophets, to repent, turn to God and bring forth works worthy of repentance, before any of his letters were even written. Paul told Timothy;

2 Tim. 2: 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Zacharias, Simeon and Anna exhibited that Faith, as did David and Shadrack and Daniel long before Matthew's eyewitness account was written, or Paul's Letters were even known about.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished "unto all good works".

There is no way Timothy or Zacharias had the Testimony we have today.

It's important to include and consider some of these truths when studying the Bible.

We are in agreement here. Even after the Bible was fully compiled the OT remains as inspired scripture. However, the scriptures are also clear that a new covenant was ushered in that replaced the old covenant so the Old Testament remains as the Old covenant no longer in force.

“For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬, ‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 8:7-13 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with the people, He says, “BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I | New American Standard Bible - NA

For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with the people, He says, “BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I

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So although the Old Testament is still scripture the covenant itself no longer applies to those who the new covenant applies. The Christian is not under the Jewish laws.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Nah. The apostles were in the process of writing the new covenant expressed in the 27 books of the New Testament. The apostles exhorted the Christian that they did not have to convert to the Jewish faith before becoming Christians. The early Christian church used the Jewish canon as Christological pointing to fulfilled prophesies about the coming of Christ primarily. The law was not taught as part of the early Christian teachings because the Christian is not under the law. Therefore, the Jewish Sabbath, and all the laws related to it, are not required if the Christian.

I am sticking to what Jesus said to live by. Mat4:4 There is no Jewish Sabbath in the Bible. God claimed the Sabbath as His- My holy day Isa 58:16 My Sabbath Exo 31:13, made for man/everyone, not just Jew. Mark 2:27 Isa 56:2 thus saith the Lord.

““Come to Me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is comfortable, and My burden is light.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭28‬-‭30‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 11:28-30 “Come to Me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. For My yoke | New American Standard Bible -

“Come to Me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. For My yoke

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Jesus said this and still kept the Sabbath going to church reading God's word Luke 4:16 as the apostles did following in His footsteps keeping every Sabbath in the same manner decades after the Cross Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 as the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 and we see that continuing on in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa 66:22-23

We rest in Jesus.

Yes, we rest in Jesus, but are we resting in Him if we are rebelling against Him and His commandments. Not according to the Bible.

Our rest is from sin.

Psa 38:3 There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.4 For mine iniquities are gone over mine head: as an heavy burden they are too heavy for me.

Sin according to the Bible sin is breaking God’s laws

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:11-12 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder,you have become a transgressor of the law. quoting and contrasting directly from the Ten Commandments breaking one we break them all

Not keeping God’s commandments there is no rest because we made ourselves an enmity to God Rom 8:7-8

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

In the end there are only two choices

Rev 14: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

False worship Jesus in His own words relates to those who keep their traditions over obedience to the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13

The antidote to not worshipping the beast is found in the very next verse. Mind you the beast is the one who changed God’s times and laws Dan7:25 that most follow over the remenant who keep God’s commandments (His version) Rev12:17

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Notice it does not say faith in Jesus, but the faith of Jesus. How did Jesus live what did He teach, that is His faith. Jesus taught to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. So the choice each of us will have to make, who do we serve. The answer to this question is who do we obey Rom6:16. God or man. God said to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy in the same unit He said to only worship Him and not steal from our neighbor. His written and spoken Testimony. Shall we listen and obey the God of the Bible, or someone else. Our decisions will be sealed by the time He comes Rev22:11. I pray we all have the faith to hear and follow the word of God.

 

[Hentenza]

Well this teaching is against what Jesus said to live by. Mat4:4 There is no Jewish Sabbath in the Bible. God claimed the Sabbath as His- My holy day, My Sabbath, made for man, not Jew.

This is from the mouth of God.

“For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬, ‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 8:7-13 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with the people, He says, “BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I | New American Standard Bible - NA

For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with the people, He says, “BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I

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The Old covenant is no longer. New covenant in. Old covenant with the law vs New covenant without the law. The Christian is not under the law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is from the mouth of God.

“For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬, ‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 8:7-13 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with the people, He says, “BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I | New American Standard Bible - NA

For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with the people, He says, “BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I

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The Old covenant is no longer. New covenant in. Old covenant with the law vs New covenant without the law. The Christian is not under the law.

Amen! Yes, God wrote a New Covenant based on all new laws.

Wait- NO SCRIPTURE says this yet why do so many people teach this? Because it tickles the ears instead of following what God said. 2 Tim 4:3-4

Yes, we are in the New Covenant. But what is the New Covenant established on according to God.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

And what did God say about His laws? Did He come to destroy them as so many people teach.

No instead of being written on stone and being external- He writes them in our hearts and became who we are internally based on what He will do.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

So the New Covenant is based on better promises, still has God’s laws now written on a better surface our hearts, Its sad so many people spend all their time making it about new laws when God promised His covenant He will not alter. Psa 89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat 5:18 How do we believe in God but not what He says. If we are in the New Covenant we have God’s laws written on our hearts, Sadly most people have not entered into that covenant relationship with God through faith, because they make themselves an enmity to God and won’t subject themselves to God’s laws Rom8:7-8 they lay them aside as to say they are not for me Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14

We really should focus on the better promises of the New Covenant of how we can keep His commandments through the power of the Holy Spirit John 14:15-18 if we hear His voice and not rebel Heb 3:7-19

 

[Hentenza]

Amen! Yes, God wrote a New Covenant based on all new laws.

No. God wrote a new covenant based on the Gospel. There is no “law” in the new covenant.

Yes, we are in the New Covenant. But what is the New Covenant established on according to God.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

The promise of salvation by the grace of God through faith.

And what did God say about His laws? Did He come to destroy them as so many people teach.

Jesus fulfilled the Jewish laws of the old covenant. No Jewish laws in the new covenant.

No instead of being written on stone and being external- He writes them in our hearts and became who we are internally.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Can’t you read who this is addressed to? Is the Christian church the House of Israel? Of course not. The promises to Israel remain in effect until they are fulfilled with the remnant of Israel in the end of days.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No. God wrote a new covenant based on the Gospel. There is no “law” in the new covenant.

So are we not to believe what God said about His Covenant? Heb 8:10 Heb 10:16

God said the New Covenant is He writing HIS LAWS in our hearts and minds. The first covenant was His laws written on stone Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 God promised not to alter the words of His covenant Psa 89:34 so the New Covenant is HIS laws written on a better surface, our heart and minds based on what He will do, the better promise Heb 8:10

The promise of salvation by the grace of God through faith.

Amen. Does faith void the law? Of course not. Rom 3:31. Why do you call me Lord Lord and not do I what I say Luke 6:46.

Jesus fulfilled the Jewish laws of the old covenant. No Jewish laws in the new covenant.

God;s commandments are not the Jewish law. God said they started at Creation in the Ten Commandments Exo 20:11. There was no Jew around at Creation, just man and God. God claimed them as His - His commandments - His covenant Deut 4:13 Exo 20:6 when are we ever to disobey God?

Can’t you read who this is addressed to? Is the Christian church the House of Israel? Of course not. The promises to Israel remain in effect until they are fulfilled with the remnant of Israel in the end of days.

Yes, it was made with Israel which is God‘s church. God never made a covenant with the Gentiles, only with Israel. We are only grafted into His covenant by faith and are part of the promises Gal 3:26-29

 

[Hentenza]

Yes, it was made with Israel which is God‘s church. God never made a covenant with the Gentiles, only with Israel. We are only grafted into His covenant by faith and are part of the promises Gal 3:26-29

Wrong.

“And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22‬:‭20‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Luke 22:20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood.

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There is a new covenant in the blood of Christ for the Christian. This covenant is different than the covenant given to the house of Israel. The Christian covenant is based on the Gospel which included Jesus sacrifice of blood for the propitiation of our sins. The Christian is NOT under the law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Wrong.

“And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22‬:‭20‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Luke 22:20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood.

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That is Jesus speaking of ratifying His covenant by His blood. Nothing can be changed after. He would have to die all over again to change His covenant.

There is a new covenant in the blood of Christ for the Christian. This covenant is different than the covenant given to the house of Israel. The Christian covenant is based on the Gospel which included Jesus sacrifice of blood for the propitiation of our sins. The Christian is NOT under the law.

Where does it say God made a covenant with Gentiles. His covenants have only been made to Israel and through faith we are grafted into the promises.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Rom 9:6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.

 

[Studyman]

Citation please.

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written: “But the righteous one will live by faith.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith | New American Standard Bible - NA

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith

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16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, (In the Gospel of Christ) The just shall live by faith. (Hab. 2:4) 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; "for God hath shewed it unto them".

Heb. 4: 1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Deut. 32: 18 Of the Rock that begat thee "thou art unmindful", and hast forgotten God that formed thee. 19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters. 20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

1 Cor. 10: 1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat "the same spiritual meat"; 4 And did all drink "the same spiritual drink": for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Col. 1: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away "from the hope of the gospel", which ye have heard, and which was preached "to every creature which is under heaven"; whereof I Paul "am made a minister;"

According to Paul, the Gospel he was set apart for, was preached before him, "to every creature under heaven".

The gospel here refers to:

“Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, who was declared the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness by the resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles in behalf of His name, among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 1:1-6 Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, who was born | New American Standard Bible - NASB

Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, who was born

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The prophets here refers to those that prophesied the coming of Christ.

That's not what Paul is teaching. Please try and separate yourself from your adopted religious philosophy for just a minute, and read what Paul actually said about the "Gospel of Christ".

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

This doesn't mean to just believe Jesus came. Demons believe Jesus came. Those Christians Jesus didn't know in Matt. 7, believed Jesus came.

That isn't the Gospel of Christ.

The implication of your religious philosophy here, that the Gospel of Christ didn't exist before Paul or Constantine, is a popular religious philosophy promoted by "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord. And of a truth, many of this world's religions who come in Christ's Name, promote a gospel that didn't exist until Constantine. But the Biblical truth is clear, the Gospel Paul promoted, had been shown to the Jew and the non-Jew since before Moses.

The early church did not persecute the Jews.

God's Church was always filled with men who were Jews inwardly, as Paul taught both Jew and Gentile. Remember, Jesus said "Salvation is of the Jews". A Jew here is defined as "Children of Abraham".

The Jews were cut off the tree and the time of the gentiles ushered in.

Only disobedient Jews were cut off of the Holy Tree. Those biological Jews who who did not do the "works of Abraham", at least this is what the Holy Scriptures teach. Any Gentile who joined themselves to the Lord were part of God's Church from the very beginning.

Lev. 19: 33 And if a stranger (Non-Jew/Israelite) sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger (Non-Jew/Israelite) that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and "thou shalt love him" as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Please read Heb. 11, and find a list of just a few men who were "Jews inwardly". These men were given the gospel of Christ, and mixed their hearing with belief, AKA "Faith".

The title of church of God refers to the Christian church.

A "church" who calls Jesus Lord, Lord, builds great massive religious businesses, and man-made shrines of worship in Christ's name, even casts out demons in Christ's Name, but lives in transgression of God's Commandments is not God's Church. You can find this understanding in the Holy scriptures, including the Words of Jesus Himself.

We are in agreement here. Even after the Bible was fully compiled the OT remains as inspired scripture. However, the scriptures are also clear that a new covenant was ushered in that replaced the old covenant so the Old Testament remains as the Old covenant no longer in force.

According to God's Definition of His His Own New Covenant, which I believe a man should consider if they want to know the Truth of God, there were only 2 things that were prophesied to change.

#1. The manner in which God's Laws were administered. No more is a person required to go find a Levite Priest to learn about God's Laws. God will write them on the hearts of those who, as Paul taught both Jew and gentile, "Repented, turned to God and were doing "works" worthy of repentance. And here we are today, with the Oracles of God in our own Homes, in our own mind. All men need is the same thing they always needed, "Belief".

#2. The manner in which Forgiveness is provided for. No longer is a man required to go find a Levite Priest and engage in the sacrificial "works of the Law" for remission of sins. God Himself provides for the atonement. Even Abraham understood this.

Gen. 22: 7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

The teaching of this world's religious system, that God's Laws were against men so God abolished His own Laws, is a poplar religious philosophy of this world. But as any man can see, if they reads God's own description of his Own New Covenant, it was the Priesthood Covenant HE made with Levi on Israel's behalf, that was changed into a Priesthood "After the Order of Melchizedek", a incorruptible Priesthood. As God points out in His Inspired Word.

Mal. 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

Heb. 8 confirms this.

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, (Corruptible Priests) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

“For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.”
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Hebrews 8:7-13 For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with the people, He says, “BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I | New American Standard Bible - NA

For if that first covenant had been free of fault, no circumstances would have been sought for a second. For in finding fault with the people, He says, “BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I

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So although the Old Testament is still scripture the covenant itself no longer applies to those who the new covenant applies. The Christian is not under the Jewish laws.

This is in part true. The "Jews Religion" that Paul was a part of when they murdered Stephen, "Full well rejected the Commandments of God so they could promote their own religious traditions. Jesus said they taught for doctrines the Commandments of men, not God. They were given God's Laws through Moses, and even told of the Prophesied Priest that was to come, but they didn't believe Moses. They, not God, placed grievous burdens on the necks of men. Their Law, not God's Law, condemned Jesus Stephen and the Prophets before them to death. So it is true that those who had "Yielded themselves" servants to obey God, and serve the Law of God with their minds, as Paul taught, and Lived by every Word of God, as Jesus taught, no longer participated or lived under "Jewish Law".

Instead they repented of following this world's religious system that has always, and will always be at enmity with God, and turned to God's Judgments, Commandments and Statutes, which are not "Jewish Laws", rather, they are the Laws many Jews rejected and were cut off because of it.

My friend, take a leap of Faith and become a "Doer" of the Jesus "of the Bibles" sayings, not a hearer only, and become renewed in your mind, that you might put on "the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Like Jesus was.

 

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That is Jesus ratifying His covenant by His blood. Nothing can be changed after. He would have to die all over again to change His covenant.

Where do you get that from? The covenant to the Christian IS the blood spilled at Cavalry. Jesus sacrifice is a one time sacrifice that ushered in the new covenant. The covenant with the house of Israel is not the covenant of blood for the Christian.

Where does it say God made a covenant with Gentiles.

Just showed you. Israel was branches were cut off from the tree and the gentiles were grafted onto the tree.

His covenants have only been made to Israel and through faith we are grafted into the promises.

No. Christ covenant is not for the house of Israel. The new covenant is for ALL that profess Christ, either Jew or Greek.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Nothing here includes the house if Israel in the covenant of blood. In fact it plainly states neither Jew nor Greek.

Rom 9:6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.

You are posting verses out of context. This chapter tells of the gentiles becoming God’s people instead of Israel and pursuing God, not by the law, but by faith.

“What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith; however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though they could by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, just as it is written: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, And the one who believes in Him will not be put to shame.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭30‬-‭33‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 9:30-33 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith; however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arriv | New American Standard Bible - NA

What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith; however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arriv

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Where do you get that from? The covenant to the Christian IS the blood spilled at Cavalry. Jesus sacrifice is a one time sacrifice that ushered in the new covenant. The covenant with the house of Israel is not the covenant of blood for the Christian.

Yes made to Israel Heb8:10 ratified by the blood of Jesus.

Just showed you. Israel was branches were cut off from the tree and the gentiles were grafted onto the tree.

Either branch can be grafted in by faith

No. Christ covenant is not for the house of Israel. The new covenant is for ALL that profess Christ, either Jew or Greek.

I personally would not want to remove myself from God's covenant promise, but we have free will

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Nothing here includes the house if Israel in the covenant of blood. In fact it plainly states neither Jew nor Greek.

Exactly, His covenant is not based on nationality, but we part of the Covenant promises through faith

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You are posting verses out of context.

I believe you are. You have not provided one verse that says God made a covenant with Gentiles.

This chapter tells of the gentiles becoming God’s people instead of Israel and pursuing God, not by the law, but by faith.

“What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith; however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though they could by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, just as it is written: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, And the one who believes in Him will not be put to shame.””
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Romans 9:30-33 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith; however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arriv | New American Standard Bible - NA

What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith; however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arriv

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Faith does not void the law Rom3:31 Why do you call me Lord Lord and not DO what I say?

Faith produces actions, I would suggest Hebrews 11

 

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Yes made to Israel Heb8:10 ratified by the blood of Jesus.

Not for the Christian. Christians are NOT the House of Israel.

Either branch can be grafted in by faith

Except that this is the time of the gentiles and not of Israel. Israel branches remain cut off. In fact, only the remnant of Israel will be saved. Any Jew that accepts Christ becomes part of the covenant of blood.

I personally would not want to remove myself from God's covenant promise, but we have free will

If you profess Christ as your Lord and savior you have already removed yourself from the bondage of the law. The Christian walks in the Spirit. As Paul states:

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
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Romans 8:1-4 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c | New American Standard Bible - NASB

Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c

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Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

This is not the covenant for the Christian but ONLY to the House of Israel. The Christians are NOT the House of Israel.

 

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That's not what Paul is teaching. Please try and separate yourself from your adopted religious philosophy for just a minute, and read what Paul actually said about the "Gospel of Christ".

First let me apologize for only addressing this part of your post because if you don’t believe in the actual gospel then we cannot in good conscience have a productive conversation. There is a misunderstanding so we first have to define what the gospel actually is. The gospel is not related to the Jewish covenant. Faith in God has always been a requirement so that has not changed. The promises to Israel remain intact and unfulfilled until after the time of the gentiles us over.

The new covenant for the Christian is strictly based on the redemptive power of blood spilled by Christ on the cross. The basic elements of the gospel include what Paul wrote in Romans 1:1-6. All men have sin, the death of Christ on the cross to pay for those sins, the resurrection of Christ to provide life everlasting for those who follow Him, and the offer of the free gift of salvation to all (1 Cor 15:1-4). Notice that Paul explicitly calls these the gospel that I preach to you. There is no different in gospel or what Paul calls the gospel in any other of his writings.

I don’t understand where you infer that the gospel the Paul preaches did not come to be until later in history. The gospel of Christ began at His crucifixion when He redeemed our sins.

So if you believe in a different gospel then you are missing out on the good news of Christ.

 

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Not for the Christian. Christians are NOT the House of Israel.

Except that this is the time of the gentiles and not of Israel. Israel branches remain cut off. In fact, only the remnant of Israel will be saved. Any Jew that accepts Christ becomes part of the covenant of blood.

And what is the New Covenant. You quoted from where it says the old covenant is obsolete- so why would you not accept where it tells us what the New Covenant is and to whom.

If you profess Christ as your Lord and savior you have already removed yourself from the bondage of the law. The Christian walks in the Spirit. As Paul states:

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:1-4 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c | New American Standard Bible - NASB

Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c

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I'm not sure if you're understanding what Paul is saying here.

What law is Paul referring to? He tells us. The law of SIN and DEATH- the wages of Sin (breaking God's law is death Rom6:23)

What is happening to those who walk in the Spirit according to Paul?

that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled (keeping) in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”

The right doing of the law is FULFILLED in us to those who walk according to the Spirit. Rom7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man

What is the Spirit doing in us according to Jesus to those who love Him?

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you

What does Paul say in Romans is someone who is walking in the flesh (obeying the law of sin)

Romans 8: 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

So if we are not subjecting ourselves to God's laws, we are not in a covenant relationship with God. This is what is called sin, disobedience and rebellion what He is trying to get our attention on if we hear Him Heb 3:7-19

This is not the covenant for the Christian but ONLY to the House of Israel. The Christians are NOT the House of Israel.

There is only one covenant between God and His people. God never made a covenant with Gentiles, I guess that's why you can't find "for this is the covenant I will make with Gentiles" in Scripture. But believe as you wish. I personally want to be in a covenant relationship with God and allow Him to write His laws on my heart, where He will be My God, and I will be His people. Heb8:10 Isa56:6 Eze20:20 He doesn't write His laws on hearts of stone Eze 36:26 Rom8:7-8 so we have to allow Him to, so He can enable us to keep His commandments through our love and faith and His power the better promise of the NC. Of course these commandments are His version Exo31:18 Deut4:13Heb8:10, not ours. We are not saved in our sins Heb10:26-30 He came to save us from sinMat1:21 we need a conversion in Christ from being an enmity to God, not subjecting ourselves to God's laws to allowing Him to write them in our hearts and minds and keeping them through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Its all about choices. God will not force His covenant promises on anyone, we have to be grafted in by faith.

 

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And what is the New Covenant. You quoted from where it says the old covenant is obsolete- so why would you not accept where it tells us what the New Covenant is and to whom.

Because the new covenant that you keep alluding to us ONLY to the house of Israel. I know you can read and it is specific as to who us for. The house of Israel is not the Christian church. That would be replacement theology which is not biblical.

There is only one covenant between God and His people. God never made a covenant with Gentiles,

Once again.

“And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood.”
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Luke 22:20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood.

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Strong’s Definitions
διαθήκη diathḗkē, dee-ath-ay'-kay; from G1303; properly, a disposition, i.e. (specially) a contract (especially a devisory will):—covenant, testament.

This IS the new covenant with the church. Only the church will have communion in remembrances of Christ. Only the church will preach the gospel of Christ.

 

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Because the new covenant that you keep alluding to us ONLY to the house of Israel. I know you can read and it is specific as to who us for. The house of Israel is not the Christian church. That would be replacement theology which is not biblical.

Than where is the covenant to the Gentiles?

Once again.

“And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood.”
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Luke 22:20 And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood.

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Again, this is when Jesus was going to ratify His covenant- without blood- the covenant cannot be ratified. Hebrews 9:18 So when did Heb8:10 get ratified if not this covenant Jesus speaks of.

Strong’s Definitions
διαθήκη diathḗkē, dee-ath-ay'-kay; from G1303; properly, a disposition, i.e. (specially) a contract (especially a devisory will):—covenant, testament.

This IS the new covenant with the church. Only the church will have communion in remembrances of Christ. Only the church will preach the gospel of Christ.

So the church can be an enmity to God by not having Him write His laws in our hearts and minds.

Ok, guess we will see what happens. Mat 7:23 1John2:4 Rev 22:14-15 Mat5:19 Mat15:3-14 etc He tells us but many do not believe. They believe in Jesus but not His teachings.

 

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Again, this is when Jesus was going to ratify His covenant- without blood- the covenant cannot be ratified. Hebrews 9:18 So when did Heb8:10 get ratified if not this covenant Jesus speaks of.

You are stuck on the OT laws and can’t see past it. These verses explain the new covenant for the Christian church. You can’t get past that to reach the gospel of good news.