ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

[LoveGodsWord]

Please reread the post. Your argument above was already answered and you are saying things that don't apply to the post you are responding to.

Yes I noticed that as well.

 

[klutedavid]

How do you know it was not observed? The Sabbath was established from CREATION. It was kept BEFORE the 10 commandments was given.


"But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord" NIV (Gen 6:8; Heb 11:7). Where there is no law, there is no condemnation and need for grace

Exodus 16:28, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?” This passage begs the question: What Laws and Commandments?

You’re welcome to draw your own conclusion, but Genesis 2:3 and Exodus 20 8:11 are very similar. I would rather be extra careful and observe the day God asked us to Remember and keep Holy just like He did from creation.

If the Sabbath was established in the creation week. Then logically, the Sabbath cannot be an eternal law because it has a starting point. Eternity does not have a start or an end.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If the Sabbath was established in the creation week. Then logically, the Sabbath cannot be an eternal law because it has a starting point. Eternity does not have a start or an end.

I think this was posted somewhere else..

ARE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS ETERNAL?

All of God's 10 commandments are eternal! That is why God spoke them and wrote them on tables of stone *Exodus 20:1-17; Exodus 32:16. They were spoken by God alone and were the work of God alone written on two tables of stone. The scriptures teach that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, And nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's 10 commandments were the direct spoken Words of God *Exodus 20:1-17. The scriptures teach also that God's Word is forever and we are to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God All the 10 commandments came directly out of the mouth of God *Exodus 20:1-17 therefore Gods' Word (10 commandments) are eternal *1 Peter 1:25; Matthew 4:4; Psalms 119:85; Isaiah 40:6-8; Matthew 24:35; Isaiah 55:11. God's 10 commandments were the work of God alone written on stone and directly spoken by God alone making them God's work and Gods' Word which the scriptures teach are forever. Sin in the scriptures is defined as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4 or not believing and following God's Word *Romans 14:23. There will be no sin (breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments or not believing and not following His Word in heaven). Those who continue to practice known unrepentant sin will not enter into God's Kingdom according to Paul *Hebrews 10:26-31 so all of God's 10 commandments will be obeyed forever and never more broken! So no there will be no murder no adultery, no stealing no lying, no covetousness, dishonoring our parents, no idols, no worshiping other Gods, no using God's name in vain and of course we know we will still continue to remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy according to God's 4th commandment *Isaiah 66:23. So simply in summary God's Word is and is law is eternal. There will no longer be sin (breaking Gods' commandments) in Heaven.

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In regards to the Sabbath? see Isaiah 66:22-23 where the Sabbath will be continued to be kept in the new Heavens and new earth.

Hope this is helpful.

 

[DamianWarS]

Please reread the post. Your argument above was already answered and you are saying things that don't apply to the post you are responding to.

My reply is to the test I quoted, how it captures other parts I did not quote I'm not aware. Obviously answers previous are unsatisfactory. We can all say "I've already answered that so your comments are void" but in doing so we are just justifying a reason to disengage and the only person we appease is ourself.

 

[DamianWarS]

If the Sabbath was established in the creation week. Then logically, the Sabbath cannot be an eternal law because it has a starting point. Eternity does not have a start or an end.

Sabbath may have had a formal start at the 7th day but the law itself starts 2500 years later.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Sabbath may have had a formal start at the 7th day but the law itself starts 2500 years later.

There was no law before sin. The Sabbath was made for all mankind before sin according to Jesus *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3

 

[DamianWarS]

There was no law before sin. The Sabbath was made for all mankind before sin according to Jesus *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3

In Eden there was edenic law which sabbath instruction is not a part of. According to Mark 2:27/Genesis 2:1-3 (as you reference) Sabbath can be said it was made for man but this does not address the law and you are inserting law where it is not spoken. Sabbath may predate sin but it also predates Mosaic law (including sabbath law) you are conflating the two.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

In Eden there was edenic law which sabbath instruction is not a part of. According to Mark 2:27/Genesis 2:1-3 (as you reference) Sabbath can be said it was made for man but this does not address the law and you are inserting law where it is not spoken. Sabbath may predate sin but it also predates Mosaic law (including sabbath law) you are conflating the two.

Not really dear friend, there is no conflating anything. There was no law in Eden except not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. There was no sin when the Sabbath was made for mankind therefore no knowledge of good and evil. Mankind walked in perfect harmony with God before sin and walked and talked with God and there was no need for a plan of salvation or Mosaic laws. Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for mankind *Mark 2:27. The Sabbath was made for mankind before the Mosaic law as Mosaic law was only made after the fall and sin of mankind as part of God's plan of redemption and salvation of man from sin. As the Sabbath was made before sin and there was no need for the Mosaic law your point is a mute one. The Sabbath was given for man at Eden before sin when mankind was in perfect harmony with God. Regardless of the above. The Sabbath is Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and traditions handed down by fallen Christianity (BABYLON) which has led many to break God's 4th commandment. Jesus says if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that lead us to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. So who should we believe and follow; God or man? I know who I believe and follow. Only God's Word is true *Romans 3:4 and we should believe and follow it.

 

[Danthemailman]

There is a point of copying and pasting, and then there is copying and pasting crazy large walls of texts for multiple pages to the point of ridiculousness. A lot of copying and pasting here that will not be read by your average reader unless they are already biased in keeping the Old Law. No doubt you use this tactic to make it look like you know what you are talking about on this topic, but in reality it contradicts Scripture (like Colossians 2:14-17). You make it impossible for anyone to reply to you, and that's the way you like it.

So it's not just me.

You really hit the nail on the head! Excellent observation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So it's not just me.

You really hit the nail on the head! Excellent observation.

Just because Bible verses are used in multiple posts does not make the scripture insignificant. Similar to the days of Noah, it seems a lot want to mock the scriptures the Bible gives us so we can know God and be ready for His return. God tells us we know Him when we obey, not disobey. Hope this help.

 

[Danthemailman]

Just because Bible verses are used in multiple posts does not make the scripture insignificant. Similar to the days of Noah, it seems a lot want to mock the scriptures the Bible gives us so we can know God and be ready for His return. God tells us we know Him when we obey, not disobey. Hope this help.

Scripture is never insignificant. It’s people’s misapplication of scripture and continued rhetoric in order to accommodate a biased church doctrine that is insignificant.

 

[DamianWarS]

Not really dear friend, there is no conflating anything.

Jesus does not mention law in the Mark 2:27 reference he mentions Sabbath. You however are reading the text like Sabbath, as in God's rest shown first on the 7th day, and the law of the Sabbath first introduced by Moses are inseparable. This is called conflation as you are combining two or more texts into one. You are combining Mosaic law and the 7th day into one and interpreting them as the same thing which is what your argument hinges on but you seem unwilling to discuss this critically which only makes your position seem biased but rather replying with things like "Not really dear friend". Apologies but that is not an answer, it is avoiding an answer.

There was no law in Eden except not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. There was no sin when the Sabbath was made for mankind therefore no knowledge of good and evil. Mankind walked in perfect harmony with God before sin and walked and talked with God and there was no need for a plan of salvation or Mosaic laws. Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for mankind *Mark 2:27. The Sabbath was made for mankind before the Mosaic law as Mosaic law was only made after the fall and sin of mankind as part of God's plan of redemption and salvation of man from sin. As the Sabbath was made before sin and there was no need for the Mosaic law your point is a mute one.

Biblical timeline may put the 7th day preexisting the fall but there is a 2500 year gap between the creation account 7th day and the 4th commandment that you just causally dismiss and seem unwilling to discuss. Saying there was Sabbath, then the fall, then the law is grossly oversimplifing it and sweeps 2500 years under a rug of a period without mosaic law, yet clearly sin. Again you seem unwilling to discuss this and the bias keeps increasing.

The Sabbath was given to man at Eden before sin when mankind was in perfect harmony with God. Regardless of the above. The Sabbath is Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. There is not one scripture in all of Gods' Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and traditions handed down by fallen Christianity (BABYLON) which has led many to break God's 4th commandment.

I have never once said the Sabbath is abolished. I'm not sure what it is with Sabbath arguments that keep forcing an abolished position. I reject that and will state using Christs words that he did not come to destory the law and the prophets he came to fulfill them. You seem quick to judge my words in spirit of "destory" dispite that I have explicitly said the opposite. This is a starwman argument that blantently is misrepresenting my words and might I add disrespecting me as it continues to happen inspite of my correction. Please stop mispresenting me. Trying to discredit me through slander only builds the perception of a bias on your end.

Jesus says if we follow the teachings and traditions of men that lead us to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. So who should we believe and follow; God or man? I know who I believe and follow. Only God's Word is true *Romans 3:4 and we should believe and follow it.

You are conflating those who disagree with you with traditions of man without taking the time to address the issues. I can say the same of you, that you follow the tradition of man but without backing that up it's just name calling. Please, let's respect each other and our positions in the highest regard.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Scripture is never insignificant. It’s people’s misapplication of scripture and continued rhetoric in order to accommodate a biased church doctrine that is insignificant.

You say that, but seem to be disregarding and making the only scripture in the entire Bible that was written by the finger of God insignificant. If being bias means following Gods Word, than yes I am bias to the Word of God, not traditions of man that breaks any of God’s commandments.

 

[HIM]

Scripture is never insignificant. It’s people’s misapplication of scripture and continued rhetoric in order to accommodate a biased church doctrine that is insignificant.

The issue here with your posts is , the Church Doctrine in which you imply is Scripture.

 

[DamianWarS]

You say that, but seem to be disregarding and making the only scripture in the entire Bible that was written by the finger of God insignificant. If being bias means following Gods Word, than yes I am bias to the Word of God, not traditions of man that breaks any of God’s commandments.

this glorification of "by the finger of God" line is being raised beyond that which the bible itself put its. It's a valid argument but it has its limits and we need to bring it down to a level that the bible itself can support. are the 10 commandments the most significant portion of scripture? I would argue no, you perhaps say otherwise (I'm really not sure) but if all we do is stop at this "finger of God" line as this sort of mic drop argument then you have lost your own battle. This works for Sunday school and daily devotions but if we desire to really unpack what this means we have to go beyond these words and show how the Bible supports this idea that "the finger of God" line ends means what you are declaring it to mean

 

[Danthemailman]

You say that, but seem to be disregarding and making the only scripture in the entire Bible that was written by the finger of God insignificant. If being bias means following Gods Word, than yes I am bias to the Word of God, not traditions of man that breaks any of God’s commandments.

I am not fooled by the rhetoric in these types of threads but carry-on.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

this glorification of "by the finger of God" line is being raised beyond that which the bible itself put its. It's a valid argument but it has its limits and we need to bring it down to a level that the bible itself can support. are the 10 commandments the most significant portion of scripture? I would argue no, you perhaps say otherwise (I'm really not sure) but if all we do is stop at this "finger of God" line as this sort of mic drop argument then you have lost your own battle. This works for Sunday school and daily devotions but if we desire to really unpack what this means we have to go beyond these words and show how the Bible supports this idea that "the finger of God" line ends means what you are declaring it to mean

Shocking really that anyone could possibly think the only scripture written by Gods hand and spoken by God our Creator and Savior and was kept in the most Holy of Holy in the ark, could be anything but SIGNIFICANT. There is plenty of scripture to support this, but it appears, no matter how much scripture is provided, people want to believe what fits their lifestyle. Much like the days of Noah.

 

[HIM]

My reply is to the test I quoted, how it captures other parts I did not quote I'm not aware. Obviously answers previous are unsatisfactory. We can all say "I've already answered that so your comments are void" but in doing so we are just justifying a reason to disengage and the only person we appease is ourself.

oh boy.....The fact that your post doesn't even make sense in relation to the context of what you quoted doesn't bother you?

 

[HIM]

I am not fooled by the rhetoric in these types of threads but carry-on.

Grandstanding?
Why is it people try to put forward a persona here in which they are not?
If you can't answer the post to which you respond to with an intelligent argument why say anything at all?

Amazing....

 

[Danthemailman]

Grandstanding?
Why is it people try to put forward a persona here in which they are not?
If you can't answer the post to which you respond to with an intelligent argument why say anything at all?

Amazing....

Nice rhetoric. Typical in these threads.