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Me! I got one.

I can't swallow the pill of double predestination.

Single predestination I happily swallow(I can probably be best described as Anabaptist or "Scotch Baptist").

Who developed "double" and who developed "single"? Feel free to address my question in a new thread.

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second, i have no clue what your really asking or meaning, im sure if i find all these verses, i could find out, but i cant do it right now, so can someone please help out
 
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JesusFreak786 said:
second, i have no clue what your really asking or meaning, im sure if i find all these verses, i could find out, but i cant do it right now, so can someone please help out

Esau & Ishamael found out the hard way what this means.

Growing up in a covenant home, hearing the Gospel their entire life, walking away from it......

yup, P is right! So is I. So is U, come to think about it. Cant have all this with out T. Obviously L.

Yup.
 
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Read Romans 9.

It is impossible to have single predestination only, here's what'd it look like:

God predestines some to heaven.

He has no clue what will become of those He doesn't predestine.

Will they go to Hell? Maybe. Will they go to heaven? Possibly. Will they all go out for Big Macs? Well that's easiest! Yes, send them there!

Augustine developed double predestination, I think single predestination is just a liberalization of Augustine's position.
 
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what is predestination?
 
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JesusFreak786 said:
what is predestination?

God says who is going to heaven and hell, we don't have anything to do with it, God chose us not us me.

G4309(predestinate)

προορίζω

proorizō

pro-or-id'-zo

From G4253 and G3724; to limit in advance, that is, (figuratively) predetermine: - determine before, ordain, predestinate.

 
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so what did Esau and Ishamael find out?
 
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that those to whom more has been given, more is required.

To knowingly walk away from the truth, which Esau, Ishmael, the Pharisees, f'rjustafewinstances did, is a level of hell far more painful & punishing those living in a tribe in the bush with no Bible in their language.
 
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woow! We need to be careful!
 
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JesusFreak786 said:
It does make you worry about your friends

What to do about your friends if you're a Calvinist:

pray for them

tell them the Gospel

pray for them

trust in God's sovereignty.

What to do about your friends if you're Arminian (I'm pretty sure, lemme know if I forget something):

pray for them

tell them the Gospel

urge them to repeat after you & chant the 'sinner's prayer'

rejoice in their salvation

wonder why they don't seem to be growing

pray for them

become concerned that they lost their salvation

wish you were more skillfull at speaking, then it might have 'took'.
 
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