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You've lost the context of my reply, which is still relevant to the OP.
I had a similar thing happen.He didn't whisper ' Hey Saul - this is Jesus - would you consider going easy on my Christian friends - please ?
I had a similar thing happen.
14th of november 2012. an angel woke me up at 4am in the morning over a forum post i made about entropy wins and there is no rapture.
said post was made the 24th of may, 2011. man my memory is foggy, I thought there was a 4 month gap, not a year and 6 months.
this still remains the singular most terrifying and obviously from God experience i've ever had and it still makes no sense in that.. why, why was that so important. no one on that forum listened to anything i said anyways.
I see you’re still trying to lead people in their sensual aspects through flesh… You’re lack of understanding the transitional nature of the New Testament writing was going from Law to Grace ! They did not have the New Testament scripture, and because of that God and His Grace gave to them special spiritual things in order to aid them in this huge lack of material guidance… One of the things we talked about in the past was is God still speaking today? The answer to that is no, and the reason for that is God has taught us in his word this sufficiency of Scripture. To say that he is still speaking today is a direct indication that his word is not sufficient or better his scripture is not sufficient and there needs to be more. However, the leading of scripture is really clear as to the transmission of spoken to written laid out in scripture:It seems modern Christianity lacks encounters
Christians today not only lack the righteousness to get close to God to allow for God to engage in them in such ways, but they lack the personal development needed to properly escalate matters, and some of that is lack of experience in the smaller matters to be trained up in the ways of properly handling larger matters. but most of it is just: "i don't want to get involved"It seems modern Christianity lacks encounters that leave one mute when the almighty or His messengers speak.
His ways need to be politically correct these days it seems, when any display of force is considered abuse and necessarily from a wrong spirit.
have you healed anyone lately? has the Spirit of God done anything through you in your entire life?is God still speaking today? The answer to that is no, and the reason for that is God has taught us in his word this sufficiency of Scripture
Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV).have you healed anyone lately? has the Spirit of God done anything through you in your entire life?
if the answer is no.... maybe you are the one that is wrong.
Do you think that was a forced conversion ?MAYBE NOT...
Paul was chosen and apprehended by the presence of God and blinded - do you think he could resist that by his will ?
God's love reigns supreme as part of His sovereign will.
He didn't whisper 'Hey Saul - this is Jesus - would you consider going easy on my Christian friends - please' ?
He (Jesus) is in control here - not us.
Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)
21¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why didn’t the Lord know these? They were doing the very same things that you claim proves that you are of Lord?
Is not really the members that read your post but the lurkers. At any given time we might have 30 to 50 members but over a thousand lurkers. Most people only think that they are posting primarily to those in the thread and forget about the people that just like to read. Who knows, maybe something you said changed someone’s life or perspective.I had a similar thing happen.
14th of november 2012. an angel woke me up at 4am in the morning over a forum post i made about entropy wins and there is no rapture.
said post was made the 24th of may, 2011. man my memory is foggy, I thought there was a 4 month gap, not a year and 6 months.
this still remains the singular most terrifying and obviously from God experience i've ever had and it still makes no sense in that.. why, why was that so important. no one on that forum listened to anything i said anyways.
bear fruit in keeping with repentance.So how do we ourselves make sure we are not deceived?
God established his scripture, his word for all of the children of God to grow and have knowledge of him anything outside of this is a foundation that will not hold up in this dark fleshy world when come into his judgment…bear fruit in keeping with repentance.
as for "beliefs"
i don't personally understand why everyone gets triggered by what someone else believes? i've been a christian for a long time and it seems to me that what a person believes is not even the secondary hinderance. or tertiary, with regard to what God is able to do with them. except for cessationism.
I know with relative certainty I probably believe things that are false, I also know my own maturity levels and how I handle things, I will not mention specifics but rather than the Holy Spirit tell me i'm wrong.. I'm told "do not divide my people". we have enough division, Calvinism vs arminianism vs protestants vs catholicism vs eastern orthodox. -the issue isn't the beliefs. the problem is you put an average christian from each camp in a room together and someone is going to get murdered.
13 years ago i would say i had a life changing perspective shift when the Spirit brought to my mind john 12:31.
the judgement is now, it started 2000 years ago. that one verse destroys most end times theologies.
Perhaps you should ask yourself why didn’t the Lord know these? They were doing the very same things that you claim proves that you are of Lord?
Yes God has mercy on whom He has mercy and whom He will He hardeneth. That has to do with the circumstances over which, we have no choice. What He does give everyone is free will. He tells us not to look on outward appearances but on the heart. So what about any of our circumstance here on Earth? We are called to deny ourselves take the cross and follow.A point that few raise in this debate relates to the nature of man.
What aspect of yourself is not a gift given by the lifegiver Himself ???
The ability to think, speak, love, breathe, walk, know, see, hear, repent...
Our very existence is a gift.
As Paul said in Romans...
The Lord told Moses that he has pity and mercy on anyone he wants to.
Everything then depends on God's mercy and not on what people want or do.
In the Scriptures the Lord says to the king of Egypt, “I let you become king, so that I could show you my power and be praised by all people on earth.”
Everything depends on what God decides to do, and he can either have pity on people or make them stubborn.
Someone may ask, “How can God blame us, if he makes us behave in the way he wants us to?”
But, my friend, I ask, “Who do you think you are to question God? Does the clay have the right to ask the potter why he shaped it the way he did?
Doesn't a potter have the right to make a fancy bowl and a plain bowl out of the same lump of clay?”
God wanted to show his anger and reveal his power against everyone who deserved to be destroyed.
But instead, he patiently put up with them.
He did this by showing how glorious he is when he has pity on the people he has chosen to share in his glory.
Whether Jews or Gentiles,
We are those chosen ones... .
(...end quote from Romans)
This is the fundamental issue human pride bucks against resulting in the longest threads on the forum.
Boasting of any self effort is sin.
He is the author and finisher of faith - NOT US.
Alright, we need to take a step back, as I don’t see anything of what you are saying that is in conflict with Catholic teaching. Works come from salvation, salvation does not come from works, and there is no such thing as salvation without works. So what is your contention?If you believe that we do works from salvation then how were we made righteous? How can the believer with saving faith be saved without being righteous?
Paul gives us the answer:
“But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, but it is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in God’s merciful restraint He let the sins previously committed go unpunished; for the demonstration, that is, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”
Romans 3:21-26 NASB2020
Romans 3:21-26 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, but it is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who b | New American Standard Bible - NA
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, but it is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who bbible.com
“Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we also have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we celebrate in hope of the glory of God.”
Romans 5:1-2 NASB2020
Romans 5:1-2 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we also have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we | New American Standard Bible - NASB
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we also have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and webible.com
Being justified or having been justified is in the aorist passive which means that receiver received it already as a gift with no further effort required. You cant accept justification apart from sanctification because your church teaches erroneously that both are one. Apostolic teaching does not agree with your church. There is nothing meaningless about being justified (once) and then work from salvation for sanctification. That is the order of things. We can’t make ourselves righteous (justified) by doing works. We can, however, work alongside our Lord for our sanctification.
There are certainly those that do not have saving faith. People need to complete their faith by being born again. Again, the parable of the sower explains the different types of faith.
Because there are non. You assume that my argument stipulates that anyone that calls Jesus Lord actually has saving faith. Every verse regarding sanctification however, states the work we do naturally by having been justified.
Again, not my argument. Those with saving faith will keep His commandments (Jesus not the law). The warning are for those without saving faith.
Paul teaches:
“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.”
Romans 8:1-2 NASB2020
Romans 8:1-2 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Downl
Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.bible.com
The key here is “IN Christ Jesus”.
All of us will face the judgement seat of Christ. Actually, tell me where in scripture Christ says that? I can show you where Paul teaches it.
“According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each person must be careful how he builds on it. For no one can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, each one’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each one’s work. If anyone’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet only so as through fire.”
1 Corinthians 3:10-15 NASB2020
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According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each person must be careful how he builds on it. For no one canbible.com
Do you think Paul teaches contrary to Christ? Of course not. Works never saved anyone. I much rather have a reward here but even those that do not do good works are STILL saved.
The apostles never taught works salvation. None of them did. The Catholic Church, however, it’s a different story.
No one has argued that. If you were to actually read and address other people’s posts you would know this. You are assigning others the wrong premise. You still believe that if those with saving faith do not do works during sanctification that they can loose their saving faith. That premise results in your belief that works are required for salvation. You talk with both sides of your mouth when you say that we work from salvation and then require works for salvation. Let me tell you what else Paul teaches in the holy scriptures.
“But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, since otherwise grace is no longer grace.”
Romans 11:6 NASB2020
Romans 11:6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, since otherwise grace is no longer grace. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, since otherwise grace is no longer grace.bible.com
Yes God has mercy on whom He has mercy and whom He will He hardeneth. That has to do with the circumstances over which, we have no choice. What He does give everyone is free will.
Ok so you say there is one kind of belief but only those that really believe will produce works, which is the belief one kind or are there two?-The Bible plainly states for a person to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life they must believe in Jesus. The Bible does not say the person must have God give a person a special type of belief to believe in Jesus.
The belief used is the type of belief people use in everyday life to believe in other stated promises.
Satan has been able to take the action of belief by people, with the help of warped theology. To turn around what belief actually is and to redefine belief to include a special type of belief that is based in works. That if a person has real belief they will without a doubt be a committed good work producing person.
That is why in The Bible there are warning to believers about falling away. Because God knows that even though a person has believed in Jesus and has become a born again child of God.
They are still in the world and the age of satan, living in a sinful body. That if they do not daily fight against the draw of the sinful world, they will fall away and become a useless child of God. Who will not be able to do the good works God has prepared for them to do .
The warning are to warn believers to avoid falling away. Not because they will lose their eternal life, but so they will not become useless in service to God their Father. A can actually be used by satan to inflict harm to God's family on earth and to corrupt God's good news message of Life.
Do you think that was a forced conversion ?
I don't.
Jesus said it was hard for Paul to kick against the pricks.
Paul had already been considering aspects of the new church, and Jesus' visitation clinched the deal.
Were you forced to turn from darkness and unto the light ?
I was not forced to turn from sin.
I gladly repented !
Paul could have resisted and had the faith of the other Pharisees and sat by Beelzebub pretending to be Jesus I am made blind. He could not resist the facts of what happened to him, but the other Pharisees saw Jesus actually cast out a demon right in front of them, and they ascribed his power to Satan. Jesus had to school them and tell them Satan does not cast out Satan. Did they then repent? There is no scriptural evidence they didMAYBE NOT...
Paul was chosen and apprehended by the presence of God and blinded - do you think he could resist that by his will ?
God's love reigns supreme as part of His sovereign will.
He didn't whisper 'Hey Saul - this is Jesus - would you consider going easy on my Christian friends - please' ?
He (Jesus) is in control here - not us.
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