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Anyone else have a unique eschatology?

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No pre, mid or post tribulation.
No millennium
No rapture
No second temple
No (the) anti Christ
I am pretty much with you there.
Yes the second comming
Yes, a last day
Personalized for each individual. But not collective events.
Yes, a resurrection
Life beyond death but I sill am not sure of the role of the body in that.
Yes judgment day
Again, personal for each individual.
Yes a new heaven and earth " The New Jerusalem "
It seems that way when we are born again and an optimistic future .

I think we built on a lot of mythology and Biblical apocalyptic genre. How much of that really has anything to do with the future is questionable.
 
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I think we built on a lot of mythology and Biblical apocalyptic genre. How much of that really has anything to do with the future is questionable.
Either all the Apocalyptic Prophesies will take place, or the Bible is book of fiction.
You and many others simply can't see how what is possible to happen, will happen, and why not? Remember; God did destroy the antediluvian world; He Promised to never again use water, for the end times; over 70 Prophesies tell of a forthcoming punishment by fire.
God will correct His Creation, gone wrong again!
 
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or they are not prophases.
What do you call this:

Jeremiah 25:30-38 The Lord roars from on high. He thunders from His holy place. He roars loudly against His holy Land and like a grape treader, He shouts against all the inhabitants of the earth. The great noise is heard around the world. For the Lord brings His judgement against the nations, He arraigns all mankind and hands over the wicked and godless to the sword.

The Lord says, ‘Disaster spreads from nation to nation, a mighty tempest is unleashed, that will blast to every corner of the world’. Those whom the Lord has killed on that Day will be strewn from one end of the earth to the other, they will not be mourned or buried, but left as dung upon the ground.
Cry out you bad shepherds and useless leaders of My people, the Day comes for your demise, you will fall like prize rams to the slaughter. There will be no escape from the Lord’s fierce anger, like a lion leaping to the kill.
Disaster will suddenly strike and their land will become desolate because of the fiery wrath of the Lord.

Ref: REB, CJB. & as written in; logostelos.info

It is now time to realize that this terrible, worldwide disaster is soon to happen.

In no way has this prophecy been fulfilled yet and this cannot be at the Return, as it must be before that: He thunders from His holy place…. He sends down fire… Amos 1 & 2:1-5, Psalms 18:13, Psalms 11:4-6, Revelation 6:12-17 and Revelation 14:17-20
Completely different from the descriptions of the glorious Return of King Jesus.

Many other prophesies vividly describe this sudden and shocking, Day of the Lord’s wrath, a one day event: as fire from the sky, a Coronal Mass Ejection sun explosion, that will literally fulfill all of them. Psalms 83 tells how fire and tempest will destroy those attackers of Israel and details like ‘the sky rolled up like a scroll’, and the ‘moon blood red’, are also literal effects of a massive earth directed C M E.
Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 66:14-16, 2 Peter 3:7

The millions killed on that Day won’t be buried because there won’t be enough survivors to do that and the extreme heat of a CME and the fires caused by it, will reduce the dead to ashes. Malachi 4:3, Jeremiah 9:22

Those who have led the people astray with their false teachings, fictional books and poor leadership will be judged and punished on that Day. Micah 3:1-4, Isaiah 56:10-12

The world as we know it now, will not continue for much longer, prophecy is given to us as a warning of what will happen and for us to be Spiritually and physically prepared, so we can stay strong and keep trusting in the Lord to keep us safe, because He plans for the good of His own faithful Christian people. Jeremiah 29:11, Psalms 37:29
As all the faithful Christians gather and settle into all of the holy Land. Romans 9:24-26.....in the very place, [that ancient Israel was rejected] you Christians will be called the children of the Living God. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35

Colossians 1:11-12 In His glorious might may He give you ample strength to meet with fortitude and patience whatever comes and to give joyful thanks to the Father who has made you fit to share in the heritage of God’s people, in His Kingdom of Light. The King will come later; for the Millennium. Revelation 19:11
 
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Apocalyptic eschatology. It is a literary genre.
According to you then; never actually going to happen.
Mabe just designed to scare us?

I totally reject this interpretation of the Prophetic Word.
There have been many Prophesies which have been literally fulfilled. Why should the rest not be?

Also; we live in a world that is fast approaching crises; from many angles.
It is simply impossible for man to solve any of them, we NEED our Creator to change the world and establish His Kingdom on earth. Exactly what Jesus taught us to pray for.
But before Jesus Returns, much must take place and the Prophesies graphically describe it all. We are warned, to brush off God's comprehensive and detailed end times Plan, is a serious matter and just leaves people in the dark. 2 Thess 5:4
 
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According to you then; never actually going to happen.
Mabe just designed to scare us?

I totally reject this interpretation of the Prophetic Word.
There have been many Prophesies which have been literally fulfilled. Why should the rest not be?

Also; we live in a world that is fast approaching crises; from many angles.
It is simply impossible for man to solve any of them, we NEED our Creator to change the world and establish His Kingdom on earth. Exactly what Jesus taught us to pray for.
But before Jesus Returns, much must take place and the Prophesies graphically describe it all. We are warned, to brush off God's comprehensive and detailed end times Plan, is a serious matter and just leaves people in the dark. 2 Thess 5:4
We do not know what will happen.
Designed to inspire ad encourage those who read it.

The prophesies you believe fulfilled, where they actually written before the even fulfilling them?
Where the fulfilling evens interpretations of the prophesies? For example most of the Messiah prophesies could be Christian interpretations. Jews do not accept them.

Yes, the world is indeed in deep trouble. There is nothing we can do to changes that an no knowledge pf prophesies helps. All we can do is follow Christi with our entire hearts in love. It is no about some special gnostic knowledge of prophesy.
 
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Yes, the world is indeed in deep trouble. There is nothing we can do to changes that an no knowledge pf prophesies helps.
Yes, but for what reason did God give us so much Prophecy? I can assure you that knowledge of what God has planned for His creation absolutely does help. We should be prepared and ready for what we have been warned will happen, before Jesus Returns.

Prophecy is for Believers 1 Corinthians 14:22b
The Bible has plenty of information on how the Lord’s plans have been fulfilled in the past and what we can expect in our future. Also, according to His plan, very few will truly understand the full scope and implications of future events. Daniel 12:10 Some reasons for this are:

1/ Those who may profess to be Christian, but in their hearts are not:

1 John 4:4-6 Believers in Christ, you belong in God’s family and you can discern false prophets because the God who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. The world listens to the teachings of worldly people, but we belong to God and whoever knows God pays heed to the truth, those who are not His people cannot comprehend the prophetic message.

Isaiah 29:13-14 The Lord says: Because this people worship Me with empty words and pay Me lip service, while their hearts are far from Me and their religion is but human precepts, learnt by rote; therefore I shall shock them and shock again and their wisdom and discernment will be lost. Matthew 7:21-23

2/ Belief in false teaching, leading to a fixed mindset of wrong ideas: Ezekiel 14:3-5

The prime example of a false teaching is the pre-tribulation rapture. This idea denies many Scriptures that say; all will be tested, 1 Peter 4:12, Luke 21:35. This leads to a careless attitude toward prophecy. If you believe you are good enough and sufficiently holy to be taken directly to heaven, then you will be judged for judging yourself. Humility and trust in the Lord’s saving grace, Isaiah 30:15, must be our attitude, not the pretentious belief of a removal from the earth to avoid any perceived difficulties. In John 17:15 Jesus asks for protection, not removal and in John 3:13 No one will go to heaven, only He who came from it.

2 Peter 2:1-3 In the past, there were false prophets among the people, just as now you will have false teachers. They will promote their theories and speculations, twisting Scripture to suit their fanciful notions. Many will follow their sheer fabrications and credulous people will make them rich and famous, but judgement waits for them: a long prepared destruction will fall upon their heads.

Jeremiah 23:16-17 The Lord says: Do not listen to your false prophets, who give you false hope and voice their own fancies, it is not the Lord’s Words they speak. They say: ‘prosperity will be yours’ and to all who follow their devious beliefs: ‘No harm will befall you’.

Isaiah 29:9-12 The Lord says: I will place My spirit of mis-understanding upon all those who are ‘drunk, but not with wine’ [that is: who allow themselves to be fooled by false teachings], so it becomes impossible for them to see the truth. Isaiah 8:16

3/ Preterism and non-literal interpretation:

To think that all prophecies have been fulfilled or they are just metaphors and allegories, is a serious error that leaves those who believe that way, without proper knowledge or understanding about the end times.

2 Peter 1:19 We confirm the message of the prophets, to which you will do well to study; it will enlighten your minds, like a lamp shining into a dark place.

4/ Denial or straight out refusal to try to comprehend the prophesies:

Ezekiel 33:31-33 My people will listen to the prophets, but they will not take any action. Fine Words, they will say but with insincerity, for their hearts are set on selfish gain. When disaster strikes, as it will, then they will know the truth of prophecy.

Isaiah 48:3-6 Long ago, I announced what will happen, but because of your stubbornness and your refusal to accept instruction, you think everything can be explained by chance or by natural occurrence. You read the Word, consider it well and admit the truth of it.

Hosea 9:7 The Day of punishment and vengeance comes and all Israel will know it. Their prophets are fools and their wise leaders are like madmen, because they are all deep in enmity with God and He will remember their guilt.

Revelation 22:7b…Happy is the person who takes to heart the Words of prophecy in this Book.
Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged and paraphrased. Article from; logostelos.info

The 'rapture to heaven' of the Church is the prime example of a false teaching that has been widely believed.
People just need to properly search the scriptures and see whether or not that theory is scriptural. What it cannot be found anywhere in the Bible, then to not renounce it, is a serious matter and when you stand before God, Revelation 20:11-15, He may ask why you didn't.
 
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I can assure you that knowledge of what God has planned for His creation absolutely does help. We should be prepared and ready for what we have been warned will happen, before Jesus Returns.
We were warned to be ready all the time. That is all we need to know about the future.
 
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Just that.

I am looking to see if there are people with a unique eschatology AND are open to changing their minds.

I put a bit of a twist on the end but there you go. I can't be the only person with a unique (in my opinion) eschatology and still approach eschatology with an open mind.

My particular flavor of eschatology is pre-trib post-mill rapture. Who out there is also an odd duck?
Mine are unique (I think). I've always been an out of the box thinker, as shown by my post today about the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem in Daniel 9:25.
 
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Just that.

I am looking to see if there are people with a unique eschatology AND are open to changing their minds.

I put a bit of a twist on the end but there you go. I can't be the only person with a unique (in my opinion) eschatology and still approach eschatology with an open mind.

My particular flavor of eschatology is pre-trib post-mill rapture. Who out there is also an odd duck?
 
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Who out there is also an odd duck?
I've specifically come to this board to see if there are people open to discussing views that don't necessarily align with any of the widely accepted eschatologies. I've noticed that people adopt an eschatology at some point in their walk, and seem to resist any change to that doctrine for most, or all, of the remainder of their walk. I've also been around long enough to see how this creates a situation in which these doctrines are preached by one generation of teachers, and the same lines are learned and regurgitated by the next. I seriously doubt that there's even 1% of popular preachers/teachers who have truly challenged their own eschatology - I mean really challenged it. It seems like almost nothing of what is taught has come from personal searching and digging for the truth. It's almost always playing it safe, trying to avoid criticism by rolling out the popular view, trying to avoid being called a heretic.

There has been discussion on this thread advising that, if we're reading something that nobody else is reading, then we should recheck what we've read and seriously question it. I agree with that. But I think that if you're agreeing with the popular interpretation, you should be equally careful and recheck it too. I'm pretty sure that people on this thread are familiar with the idea of progressive revelation - the idea that God will reveal more and more of his plan to His Church as time goes by. If you believe this, then you should expect people to receive new revelation from God as we draw closer to the end of the age. I don't know if this would come through one person or many. But I know that if it's truth, then the Holy Spirit will verify it to us. And in this Christian climate, where so many are anti-Bereans, believing what's popular without investigation, it's great to have a forum like this to meet like-minded people. Like-minded in the sense that they believe there may be more to learn than that which has been handed down.

I hope that I haven't offended anyone with what I've written. I seem to do that allot. I don't know what it is about me, but I usually draw allot of fire in every facet of life. I guess I lack some social skill that enables people to talk civilly to one another. If any part of this has offended you, just imagine a smiley-face emoji after that section of text and see if that helps.
 
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I've specifically come to this board to see if there are people open to discussing views that don't necessarily align with any of the widely accepted eschatologies. I've noticed that people adopt an eschatology at some point in their walk, and seem to resist any change to that doctrine for most, or all, of the remainder of their walk. I've also been around long enough to see how this creates a situation in which these doctrines are preached by one generation of teachers, and the same lines are learned and regurgitated by the next. I seriously doubt that there's even 1% of popular preachers/teachers who have truly challenged their own eschatology - I mean really challenged it. It seems like almost nothing of what is taught has come from personal searching and digging for the truth. It's almost always playing it safe, trying to avoid criticism by rolling out the popular view, trying to avoid being called a heretic.

There has been discussion on this thread advising that, if we're reading something that nobody else is reading, then we should recheck what we've read and seriously question it. I agree with that. But I think that if you're agreeing with the popular interpretation, you should be equally careful and recheck it too. I'm pretty sure that people on this thread are familiar with the idea of progressive revelation - the idea that God will reveal more and more of his plan to His Church as time goes by. If you believe this, then you should expect people to receive new revelation from God as we draw closer to the end of the age. I don't know if this would come through one person or many. But I know that if it's truth, then the Holy Spirit will verify it to us. And in this Christian climate, where so many are anti-Bereans, believing what's popular without investigation, it's great to have a forum like this to meet like-minded people. Like-minded in the sense that they believe there may be more to learn than that which has been handed down.

I hope that I haven't offended anyone with what I've written. I seem to do that allot. I don't know what it is about me, but I usually draw allot of fire in every facet of life. I guess I lack some social skill that enables people to talk civilly to one another. If any part of this has offended you, just imagine a smiley-face emoji after that section of text and see if that helps.
I really respect your approach. I decided in my early 20's to not try to force puzzle pieces into places they didn't belong, no matter how similar they seemed. I guess it's a moreorless scientific approach to eschatology. I present a hypothesis, then I conduct a synopsis to see if that hypothesis lines up unambiguously. If it does, then I build from there. If I find something later that disproves my theory, then I go back to the last proven hypothesis and rework from there. Doing so has brought me to this interpretation:

1. The parable of the wheat and tares lines up with the woman fleeing to the wilderness in Revelation 12 and Babylon being found in the wilderness in Revelation 17. Jesus said, "You'll know them by their fruits." Babylon are the believers that follow after the world rather than following after Jesus.

2. The tribulation is intended to call the faithful out of Babylon, of the love for the world, and back to a right-standing with Jesus. This lines up with the prophesy of the Two Witnesses dressed in sackcloth. Like Zechariah and Haggai preached for the Jews to leave Babylon and return to Jerusalem to rebuild the city and sanctuary, the Two Witnesses, call the people of God to be a kingdom of priests like Zerubbabel & Joshua and rebuild the Church during times of tribulation.

3. The Euphrates River represents the boundary between the kingdoms of the world and the kingdom of God. There also Babylon is located. Living among worldly people that want to be citizens of God's kingdom but also build a life for themselves in the world. Very similar to the church in Laodicea. The sixth trumpet sees a third of humanity being destroyed by fire, also reminiscent of Jesus' telling the church in Laodicea to purchase gold refined in fire. In other words, "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues..."(Revelation 18:4, NIV)

4. Sodom and Egypt represent the spiritual state of the Church when the Two Witnesses begin prophesying. Like the Israelites in the wilderness that longed to return to the comforts of Egypt, believers will be tempted to forsake their walk with Christ during the tribulation. Like Lot fled Sodom before God's wrath was poured out on the wicked, so too will only a remnant escape. This was the tough message for the church in Sardis. There were only a few there that had not tainted their garments with the wicked ways of the world.

5. The seven heads of the beast in Revelation 17 correspond with the spiritual state of the seven churches when John received Christ's messages for them. Five had fallen: Ephesus, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, and Loadicea. One was currently struggling and that was the church in Smyrna. The seventh church that was to come would be the church in Philadelphia, represented by 144,000 Israelites sealed with the name of God on their foreheads. They would be preserved during the great tribulation because of their faithful testimony.

6. Jesus said in John 15:10, "If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love." He also said, "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends. You are my friends if you do what I command." (John 15:12-14). In other words, faithfulness to Jesus is keeping His teachings and laying down their lives for Him if called upon." These are the testimonies of the Two Witnesses. The Two Witnesses are represented by the church in Smyrna and the church in Philadelphia, the two lamp stands that would shine during humanity's darkest time. Some are persecuted and killed like the faithful in Smyrna while others are preserved in the wilderness like the woman in Revelation 12, the church in Philadelphia.

7. The parable of the sower shows us that the great tribulation will prove whether those professing Jesus's name and saying, "Lord, lord" truly follow Him or are just pretending. We have every opportunity before the tribulation to flee from Babylon. With social media exposing everything that is hidden, I hypothesize that a worldwide censorship is on the horizon and those who did not keep their lamps trimmed and oiled will struggle immensely to make the right choice. Among these are nationalists that base their Christianity on their national identity rather than on their citizenship in heaven. When all our secrets are exposed to the world and our vices are forbidden, what will preserve our testimony? This is heavy-hitting stuff, my friend.
 
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